Gotham TV Show

[Frontier]

That would make for a pretty depressing 6 or 7 seasons, before David Mazouz is old enough to be a plausible Batman.

Unless they do a between-seasons time jump, which I'm still not ruling out.

As far as I know, the producers still intend that Gotham will not be a Batman show... but if that's the case it's a strange decision to make it so much of a Bat-villains show.

I think I remember a Donal Logue interview before the show premiered (or a little afterwards) where he mentions the show exploring Gotham descending into such a terrible and horrible place that it eventually necessitates the existence of Batman to save it. I guess the rise of his Rogues Gallery into their iconic personas is a part of that.

[MichaelC]

Basically, Gotham becomes like Warlord Era China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_Era These supervillain warlords rule Gotham for a decade or so before Batman rises to oppose them. Jim is stuck trying to save as many lives as possible during their rule.

[Kensei]

Smallville, for all its faults, has been successful enough during its quite long run.

Kind of surprising that they didn't try to pull something similar with Bruce sooner.

I would love to see the show end the way Smallville did. Series finale, final scene- Batman suits up and ventures out into the night for the very first time. The end.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

Last I checked the producers had said that the end of the show would be Bruce's first night out as Batman...not sure I'd want the villains to rule for so long before that, I don't see them all working together for to long...

[Punisher007]

Yeah, these "team-ups" rarely last for very long (unless it's Harley/Ivy, but their BFF's/lovers). These villains are too selfish/power-hungry/psychotic/etc to cooperate for any real length of time. I expect that they'll start scheming against each other before too long.

[AndrewCrossett]

Last I checked the producers had said that the end of the show would be Bruce's first night out as Batman...not sure I'd want the villains to rule for so long before that, I don't see them all working together for to long...

Did they ever say that explicitly?

I think we'll see Bruce doing a lot of Batmanny stuff before he actually puts on the cowl and starts fighting supervillains toe-to-toe. Right now, he has no particular connection to any of his future arch-enemies. He has no particular reason to work for their downfall. I think for the next couple of seasons, his near-term focus will be rooting out the corruption in Wayne Enterprises, with the help of Lucius Fox and Alfred. This will require him to hone his detective skills and master the art of the false face... making the board members think he's going along with things like his father did, while actually building a case.

His long-term goal is of course to find out who killed his parents, and why. I suspect that Theo Galavan is tied to both of those things, and of course taking on Galavan will eventually require taking on his gang, which now consists of many of Batman's future rogues gallery members.

If that all takes a couple more seasons to play out, then Bruce will be 16 or 17 years old... old enough to start living up to the physical requirements of the character, assuming the actor can handle the workout regimen.

If the show runs long enough it wouldn't surprise me to see Batman before the final episode. The show is about Gotham, and Batman is a huge part of Gotham. He just wouldn't be the only part.

[tabo61]

Great episode tonight. Jerome aka Joker ordering his fellow Arkham inmates to throw people off the building was my favorite scene.

[AndrewCrossett]

This is a hardcore Joker. I like it.

It's a good thing for the bad guys that Gotham exists in its own pocket universe, with no outside help of any kind available for the authorities. Doesn't make any sense, but if you can accept it it should make for an interesting story.

Maybe Anthony Fremont wished the rest of the world under the cornfield.

[hulahulk]

Another good episode. GCPD -- whoa!

[Frontier]

Figures that only something that bad happening to the GCPD would be enough to convince Bullock to jeopardize his own happiness to come back to the force. Even if he'll never stop being a cop at heart, which everyone else seemed to realize.

Shame to have the GCPD get hit so hard now when everything seemed to be firing on all cylinders for them, though maybe that's the point ?

Man, Jerome's got the Joker act down. And Galavan seems to be instilling into him the Joker's tendency for theatrical flair.

Wasn't expecting them to kill off Essen...maybe because I was wondering if they'd try for a relationship between her and Gordon somehow, though obviously that's not happening. I wonder who's going to be Commissioner now?

[Punisher007]

Maybe this is the show's opening to bring Loeb back? I mean Theo Galavan was threatening the Mayor into doing what he wants after all.

[tako]

Maybe this is the show's opening to bring Loeb back? I mean Theo Galavan was threatening the Mayor into doing what he wants after all.

That'd be stupid. This show just has too many parts going back and forth.

Seriously, one episode of Essen as commissioner. How many times has the GCPD been completely killed?

How many times has Gordon been fired, re-hired?

I'd be happy if this show was just an episodic cop show for a bit, showing off Gotham and it's personality - not just the people who will become villains, or bad cops.

[AndrewCrossett]

I hope they're not going to make Jim commissioner already. Too soon.

Since the Mayor apparently has the power to appoint the commissioner, and the Mayor is firmly under Theo Galavan's control, presumably it will be a Galavan operative taking over.

I'm not sure what Bruce would have done next if Alfred had left. Bruce is a minor and Alfred is his legal guardian. Bruce can fire him as a butler, but not as a guardian. It would have been child abandonment for Alfred to leave, and in any case Bruce would have ended up in foster care. Or maybe with a new guardian recommended by the Wayne Enterprises Board of Directors, who would have parental authority over him.

Also, it looked like Lucius Fox was trying to repair the entire computer. All you need is the hard drive. Also, there must be backups somewhere. Hard drives fail all the time. Surely Bruce's dad wouldn't have been stupid enough to leave data that important on a single un-backed-up drive.

[spacegoatpurrp]

Dude from shameless is the perfect mini joker. I was skeptical about them bringing all the villains on so soon but now I root for them more than Gordon

[Frontier]

It's still really weird to see them giving Nygma such pronounced split-personality issues instead of, you know, Harvey Dent .

I guess the more confident, arrogant, and glasses-less Nygma personality is the actual Riddler persona? I wonder if we might see that personality, in the end, taking over or Nygma letting it loose and the only thing left from the original personality is the obsession with riddles.