Should Inhumans have been invited to the Gala?

[Noek]

well you'd be wrong.

How do we know this.

[Havok83]

It's a race. Inhumans aren't the Boltagons. That's like saying mutants are just the people on the X-Men. They say they want Medusa straight up dead. Yes, people don't like Kamala because she's one of "them." Hate has no reason to it. I've read comments along the line of "the only good inhuman is a dead inhuman." And these are fans of the oppressed characters at Marvel.

Marvel has pretty much retconned DoX by rebooting the X-Men twice and having everyone brought back to life. Hickman ignored it completely from his mass extinctions list.

He wrote inhumans before, so it wasn't a mistake. Maybe he hates that Cates erased everything he wrote.

What are you referring to with DoX?

But what if it went wrong? what if Hope got Dark Phoenix and ended the life on earth? There wasn't any uarantees and Phoenix was destroying planets on the wy to Earth.

Its a hypothetical that we cant speak to but it is fact that they werent setting out to destroy the Earth

[Noek]

What are you referring to with DoX?



Its a hypothetical that we cant speak to but it is fact that they werent setting out to destroy the Earth

Just as it is a fact that Hope was not ready. It is a fact when the Avengers offered to help they rejected it. It is a fact the Inhumans weren't setting out to kill Mutants.

[CoCoBandz]

What are you referring to with DoX?

Dawn of X? Death of Xavier?

There's no shot it's Death of X.

Just as it is a fact that Hope was not ready. It is a fact when the Avengers offered to help they rejected it. It is a fact the Inhumans weren't setting out to kill Mutants.

Medusa had FakeClops murdered by her neutered husband when FakeClops killed one of terrorist clouds.

Hard to make a case when you defend the clouds with lethal force.

[Havok83]

Just as it is a fact that Hope was not ready. It is a fact when the Avengers offered to help they rejected it. It is a fact the Inhumans weren't setting out to kill Mutants.

No the Inhumans were not out to kill the mutants but they waited a WHOLE YEAR until they did anything about it. A year went by with them knowing the cloud was going around killing mutants and they did nothing to stop it until IvX. They knowingly allowed mutants to be massacred under their watch and the fact that a year went by made it inexcusable. They knew this. Everyone knew this. That was not new information that was learned in IVX

[Rang10]

It's a race. Inhumans aren't the Boltagons. That's like saying mutants are just the people on the X-Men. They say they want Medusa straight up dead. Yes, people don't like Kamala because she's one of "them." Hate has no reason to it. I've read comments along the line of "the only good inhuman is a dead inhuman." And these are fans of the oppressed characters at Marvel.

Marvel has pretty much retconned DoX by rebooting the X-Men twice and having everyone brought back to life. Hickman ignored it completely from his mass extinctions list.

He wrote inhumans before, so it wasn't a mistake. Maybe he hates that Cates erased everything he wrote.

Good work from Cates then, Hope he gets X-men on the future.

Most book just never mention the inhumans vs X-men. It is like a thing to be forgotten

What are you referring to with DoX?



Its a hypothetical that we cant speak to but it is fact that they werent setting out to destroy the Earth

That wasn't their intention, but X-men didn't cared about the possible terrible consequences. They reacted pretty badly to avengers being worried

[cranger]

AvX was written by the Avengers office. It was the Fake News of X-Men stories. IvX was not much better, but why is anyone trying to argue which story was a bigger stinker when we should all just forget about it. Everyone at Marvel other than maybe Aaron has already, and the way Aaron writes the Phoenix, I do not think he remembers being part of AvX either.

[Noek]

No the Inhumans were not out to kill the mutants but they waited a WHOLE YEAR until they did anything about it. A year went by with them knowing the cloud was going around killing mutants and they did nothing to stop it until IvX. They knowingly allowed mutants to be massacred under their watch and the fact that a year went by made it inexcusable. They knew this. Everyone knew this. That was not new information that was learned in IVX

They didn't do nothing. They didn't destroy the cloud, but what they did do is provided medical help, gave man power + technology to beast to help him find a cure, and got Mutants out of the way where they could.
The Mutant's could have done something like this in AvX, where the Avengers will go through with Hope (if she still wanted to be) becoming the host, and both groups move her so the earth wouldn't be the destination. Instead the X-men attacked them.

[Havok83]

They didn't do nothing. They didn't destroy the cloud, but what they did do is provided medical help, gave man power + technology to beast to help him find a cure, and got Mutants out of the way where they could.
The Mutant's could have done something like this in AvX, where the Avengers will go through with Hope (if she still wanted to be) becoming the host, and both groups move her so the earth wouldn't be the destination. Instead the X-men attacked them.

Thats not good enough. Mutants still died when they had the power to stop it the minute they knew the cloud was toxic. They could have contained the cloud. They could have crystallized and have Terrigenesis be a voluntary process as it had been prior to the T-bomb. Destroying the cloud would have been ideal, but it wasnt the only option. There was room for compromise but Medusa treated the cloud like some sacred figure. It was more important for her to let the cloud make more Inhumans across the globe, even at the expense of the mutant lives that it was killing

[Noek]

Thats not good enough. Mutants still died when they had the power to stop it the minute they knew the cloud was toxic. They could have contained the cloud. They could have crystallized and have Terrigenesis be a voluntary process as it had been prior to the T-bomb. Destroying the cloud would have been ideal, but it wasnt the only option. There was room for compromise but Medusa treated the cloud like some sacred figure. It was more important for her to let the cloud make more Inhumans across the globe, even at the expense of the mutant lives that it was killing

As you put there were other ways and the Mutants went straight for destruction. Just as well there were other ways for the Phoenix but they had only one set out come in mind and went for it.

[Kisinith]

AvX again... joy... Somehow people are actually trying to argue that the mutants were somehow wrong in these events? Or to even remotely defend the Inhumans in IvX?

Ok lets go,

AvX
1) No X-Man summoned the phoenix, or even particularly wanted it to come. They knew it was coming and the only intelligence they had was to train and prepare the host (Hope).
1A) The X-Mens big plan for dealing with the Phoenix was to train Hope to deal with the power .
2) The Avengers didn't show up and try and work with the X-Men or help with their plans instead they showed up with an army and said give us Hope or else.
2A) Cable had, prior to being hurt pulled Cyclops into his mind and showed him a scorched and lifeless earth and told him that was the future if the Avengers take Hope.
2B) Cyclops chose "or else"
3) Avengers attempts to "stop" the Phoenix didn't work but did manage to forcibly split it into 5 hosts (who didn't ask or invite it)
4) After being Phoenixed up the X-Men immediately attacked the Avengers and assaulted children without provocation... no wait that was the Avengers, the X-Men were establishing world peace and addressing resource scarcity.
4a) the Avengers attacked because of what the Phoenix 5 "might do" in the future not what the were doing and got called out on that by Reed Richards
5) After being attacked the p5 do begin to become unstable
6) The Avengers big plan for dealing with the Phoenix was to train Hope to deal with the power.
7) In spite of being unwillingly possessed by a cosmic entity caused by the Avengers and repeatedly attacked without provocation including the use of lethal levels of force against him, Cyclops is mad and everything was his fault.

IvX
1) The Inhumans leaders knowingly released a toxic gas that historically empowers inhumans but kills humans.
1A) The gas is now harmless to regular humans but lethal to mutants
2) Mutants die, Inhumans do nothing, no one can figure out how to contain or combat a cloud
3) "Cyclops" comes up with a plan to destroy one of the toxic clouds, a plan that harms exactly no one, except one mutant who died removing the cloud
4) Medusa and Black Bolt "kill" "Cyclops"
4b) Cyclops is now remembered as the mutant hitler and hated by all the world.
5) Mutants around the world are dying
5b) Inhumans make a token effort to help people suffering but do nothing to end the cause.
6) Knowing the cloud is killing mutants, Medusa orders the inhumans to prepare for war to defend the cloud
7) mutants vote to disable (not kill) the inhuman royal family and destroy the cloud
8) Inhumans continue to fight to defend the cloud
9) Moon Girls explains to Medusa, in language used to explain things to a 2 year old, that the murdering cloud is bad and killing people.
9A) Medusa feels bad and agrees to destroy the cloud... finally
10) Emma Frost is mad and everything is her fault. Medusa and the Inhumans are somehow supposed to be the heroes.

Now the first take away from both of these should not somehow be "the mutants were bad", it should be.. holy **** this writing and editing is terrible. AvX ignored a decade of build up in the X-Men books so that Cap can give a speech, Spider-Man can talk about "power and responsibility" and kung fu water bucket training for 5 minutes somehow completes what years of training under Cable and the X-Men didn't. Every single person in this was out of character and juggling the idiot ball. "Cyclops was right" comes about after AvX not because he was right, but because every single other person and plan in that PoS was so much worse.

IvX is simply indefensibly bad, every single thing about it is simply insultingly bad.

[Havok83]

As you put there were other ways and the Mutants went straight for destruction. Just as well there were other ways for the Phoenix but they had only one set out come in mind and went for it.

You're victim shaming. The fact is that mutants were being massacred by a poisonous timebomb and you are faulting them for wanting to destroy the source of their killing to end the suffering





Medusa sat on her throne while the X-men watched their mutant children die. Again a whole year in comic time went by with her allowing this under her watch

[lurkerforyears]

I think I saw the Inhuman Synapse in xmen today, the telepathy scene explaining to non telepath non mutants what was happening

[Havok83]

I think I saw the Inhuman Synapse in xmen today, the telepathy scene explaining to non telepath non mutants what was happening

That was Sersi, an Eternal and former Avenger

[Toonstrack]

This actually makes me think
.... why are the mutants not going hardball af to make sure the inhumans are in check? Like... if the inhumans wanted they could do a serious number on krakoa