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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    Is T'challa or Killmonger older in the MCU?
    Hard to say, by the looks in what little flash back we see of T'Challa, I would say he might be slightly older

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    possible alternate selfish tchaka reason

    If T'challa was only a tiny child and he hadn't had his "spare" yet (gotta have the heir and the spare)

    Maybe t'chalal didn't want an American half breed near the throne.

    Wakandans like Wakandans. And Wakandans only. (Ramonda isn't south african in the MCU as far as we know)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekie View Post
    Truely outstanding video.
    This is what ppl dont understand. All black heros are not the same and have differing values to differing black men. Tchalla surely is the most powerful charcter ever creted in my opinion and its because of what he represents and who he is. Its not replicable because he was born in the civil rights movement, such a dangerous time to finally showcase a Smart, Powerful, Masculine, Competent black man to white america and have him answer to absolutely no one, not even Galactus.

    Thats the character the world deserves to see
    And for some folks they don't want to see that.

    Because it disrupts their theology of how black males should be. It's why we see push back to certain characters (John Stewart). Even push back to improving some (CYBORG). Along with push back to questioning certain things (Static's new origin).

    I know folks want to do what the "Cult" did to get a recast but everyone has to remember some of the folks in that movement did not CARE for Black Panther. His movie outperformed theirs and all of their idols. So there is resentment in that.

    So well said. I wish Feigie actually understood these things about Tchalla.
    He might but that ITCH that Wakanda offers might be too strong.

    What is that ituch? It's two fold-

    1) Toss Shuri in that suit and have the first black female lead movie. All it has to do is make more than 83 million to bypass that OTHER black female lead movie.

    2) If you can have a hit or decent performing movie with a black cast of guys that were NOT active in the comics-the amount of you know what talking they could do would be huge. How many characters (not just black) does that open the door for?

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    The fact that marvel keeps thinking that the draw of Black Panther is Wakanda is why the franchise will forever be stunted from what it could be. T'Challa IS the Black Panther and the black panther IS Wakanda. Period. At no point had Wakanda driven the stories. How can wakanda be bigger when T'Challa himself doesn't even have a healthy supporting cast and rogue gallery?
    T'Challa has been solidly established while Wakanda and cast are essentially new characters

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    Is T'challa or Killmonger older in the MCU?
    If the characters were the same age as the child actors in the prologue and flashback during filming then T'Challa would be a year older making them 35 and 34 in 2016 during Black Panther. Which would make MCU T'Challa older than Comic T'Challa during the Priest era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    The fact that marvel keeps thinking that the draw of Black Panther is Wakanda is why the franchise will forever be stunted from what it could be. T'Challa IS the Black Panther and the black panther IS Wakanda. Period. At no point had Wakanda driven the stories. How can wakanda be bigger when T'Challa himself doesn't even have a healthy supporting cast and rogue gallery?
    T'Challa has been solidly established while Wakanda and cast are essentially new characters
    Because if their plan is to move forward with the franchise without him then they have to sell the lie.
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    Y'all: getting mad that Bucky calls himself White Wolf

    Me who never liked Hunter's ole' wannabe-Tarzan, reverse Oreo ass:



    #HunterErasureForTheWin

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNomarch View Post
    Because if their plan is to move forward with the franchise without him then they have to sell the lie.
    Pretty much. It’s not reasonable to expect a businessman to come out and say “yea Boseman’s passing and our refusal to recast royally screws up several years worth of MCU stories and throws the future of this franchise into disarray since we’re not sure how to organically move on without taking unprecedented creative risks. But everything will be fine!”

    It’s Feige’s job to sell audiences on each and every decision he and the other directors/producers make so of course they’re gonna say the story was always gonna focus on the worldbuilding of Wakanda and the expansive supporting cast. Saying anything else is just gonna turn off audiences and make them more skeptical of the sequel than they already are. I kinda feel bad for the guy if the rumors are true he wanted a recast.

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    Speaking of Hunter, do we know if the White Wolf moniker originated with him, or is it another case of an alias from the Panther cult put to practical use (carrying out actions the Black Panthers could be associated with not due to their many overlapping duties, at least before T’Challa)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post
    Speaking of Hunter, do we know if the White Wolf moniker originated with him, or is it another case of an alias from the Panther cult put to practical use (carrying out actions the Black Panthers could be associated with not due to their many overlapping duties, at least before T’Challa)?
    It's possible that there was a White Wolf before Hunter if the organization didn't start with him but the Hatut Zeraze haven't been explored much so they basically get treated like foot soldiers now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post
    Speaking of Hunter, do we know if the White Wolf moniker originated with him, or is it another case of an alias from the Panther cult put to practical use (carrying out actions the Black Panthers could be associated with not due to their many overlapping duties, at least before T’Challa)?
    In RL, yes. In canon... no clue. For all we know, he CREATED the HZ. They certainly had immense loyalty toeards him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    Y'all: getting mad that Bucky calls himself White Wolf

    Me who never liked Hunter's ole' wannabe-Tarzan, reverse Oreo ass:



    #HunterErasureForTheWin
    I would have liked a Hunter esque character.

    But not as a tarzon thing, just T'chaka's third child. Coulda been been Jakarra.

    T'challa the heir. Shuri the genius. Jakarra, the distant third child and leader of the Wakanda HZ who has a chip on his choulder because he's the youngest child T'chaka didn't have as much time for.

    I like comic Hunter bc he is interesting... a non-wakandan that is fiercely loyal to Wakanda to the point of being a borderline villain of T'challa. Don't think it shoulda been a white dude though lol. Hell, just another african that wasn't Wakandan would have been fine. Probably would have been better... surroudned by people who look just like him... who don't like him because he isn't Wakandan. He'd have a massive chip on his shoulder.

    But bucky getting the white wolf? cool easter egg, Hunter was never coming to the MCU with coogler involved lol
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    I was just rereading about Jakarra last night and wonder when he will try to get revenge on tchalla after their fight in RoP.

    Its also was cool to see the first time tchalla and Luke met was when he attempted to rib tchalla.
    ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    I was just rereading about Jakarra last night and wonder when he will try to get revenge on tchalla after their fight in RoP.

    Its also was cool to see the first time tchalla and Luke met was when he attempted to rib tchalla.
    I think it left it open ended if he is even alive.

    That Jakarra story was an old one retold anyway from Kirby's run. then Hudlin retconned it by having Jakarra die during T'hcaka assasination. The Evan re-retconned it lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    I think it left it open ended if he is even alive.

    That Jakarra story was an old one retold anyway from Kirby's run. then Hudlin retconned it by having Jakarra die during T'hcaka assasination. The Evan re-retconned it lol
    ok I was curious about Jakarra if it was something that was randomly made up for RoP but its cool to see that it was not. do you think he would be a good rogue for tchalla? seems like he could be a threat to wakanda especially if he still has his enhancements or would yall prefer he stay dead lol
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