Should Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch stand trial for House of M ?

[Journey]

Well, this is certainly well-thought plan and all...except there are some flaws to this that give me pause, they are Quicksilver, Strange's Magic Academy and the Avengers. It doesn't seem to factor in what they will do if the X-men take Wanda, Kill Wanda, and "revive" to a point in time where she doesn't recall doing anything to mutants and is loyal to them even though we know some will still hate her. Call me crazy but I don't think her brother or her allies and friends will take well to the capture, trial, execution, and revival/brainwashing of her...but that's just my thoughts on the matter.

Not to mention her kids losing their shit, one of whom brings the potential of full Kree, Skrull armada pissed with Krakoa directly at their front door. God forbid the Avengers get involved and the forums blow all the way up with the who's right and wrong debate. And then you got Chthon lurking waiting to possess the witch at anytime. Intresting premise nonetheless.

[gurkle]

- Moira retakes control of Plan Krakoa
- Wanda is reborn to a more pure state with no memory of what she’d done in the past
- Wanda fans get a version of Wanda that didn’t do any of those bad things to mutants
- Wanda haters still get to hate since she will still have the potential to go dark at any time in their minds

This is a fun idea, but I don't think it would really satisfy fans or haters. An earlier version of a character, or an alternate-universe version of a character, never feels like the same person we loved or hated. It would be the equivalent of when Tony Stark became a murderer and they killed him off and replaced him with his earlier self as a teenager.

Wanda fans wouldn't accept the "pure" version because it would be admitting that HoM was her fault. Haters would just act as if she was the same version who did HoM, much like the Phoenix retcon never really stopped people from thinking of Jean and Dark Phoenix as one and the same.

[Ferro]

Here’s how this is gonna play out...

- Moira approaches Xavier and only Xavier with concerns about Wanda still being a threat based on things she’s seen in past lives. She says that she must be brought to Krakoa to stand trial. Importantly, she convinces Xavier that she is too dangerous to simply be thrown into the pit like Sabretooth. She must be convicted and she must be put to death! Xavier must convince the Quiet Council to break one of its cardinal rules about killing humans.

- Xavier sends Scott’s elite team to capture Wanda and bring her to Krakoa to stand trial. Although more powerful than any single member of Team Scott, she is eventually overpowered and bright to Krakoa.

- After a 7-5 Quiet Council vote, Wanda is found GUILTY with the penalty being DEATH, the means of which is THE CRUCIBLE, a one one one fight with Apocalypse. After a lengthy battle, Wanda is gutted by Apocalypse and quickly succumbs to her wounds.

- Later, Moira approaches Magneto and tells him that she KNOWS that Wanda was a mutant, based on what she saw in lives 6-9. She can be resurrected! A plan is created between Moira and Magneto to act at a time when Xavier is out of the country meeting with various world leaders. Charles must be out of the picture because he was the one who called for Wanda’s death so he absolutely would not go along with the Wanda revival. Magneto is to get Wanda’s genetic material from Sinister. As a scientist, Sinister has kept Wanda’s DNA and loved the idea of seeing whether or not Wanda will actually return to life. Magneto and Sinister approach “The Five” about reviving Wanda. While “The 5” are skeptical of acting without Xavier at first, Magneto and Sinister appeal to their arrogance and they eventually agree.

- Under the cover of darkness, Wanda lives! Under Magneto’s instruction, “The Five” bring her back to life to an age from before she ever went mad!

- Xavier returns and is flabbergasted! Moira calls a meeting with Charles, Magneto, and Wanda. In the meeting it is made clear that Moira has been manipulating both Charles and Magneto behind each other’s backs. But why? Moira tells the boys that she wanted to make it clear to both of them that SHE controls the happenings from here on out. No more agreeing to revive Destiny or secret meetings with Sinister behind her back. And, oh, there’s one other thing. Wanda is now Moira’s ally which will balance the scales vs Charles/Magneto. Furthermore, either Charles or Magneto is to give up his seat on the Quiet Council in place of Wanda. Charles and Magneto have to decide amongst themselves who gives their seat to Wanda, causing enough of a rift to prevent them from working together behind Moira’s back, but not enough to put an end to Plan Krakoa.

Results...
- Moira retakes control of Plan Krakoa
- Wanda is reborn to a more pure state with no memory of what she’d done in the past
- Wanda fans get a version of Wanda that didn’t do any of those bad things to mutants
- Wanda haters still get to hate since she will still have the potential to go dark at any time in their minds

um no? the character isnt a mutant or an x-men why on earth would she become an important figure on krakoa

[Hulkout42]

Not to mention her kids losing their shit, one of whom brings the potential of full Kree, Skrull armada pissed with Krakoa directly at their front door. God forbid the Avengers get involved and the forums blow all the way up with the who's right and wrong debate. And then you got Chthon lurking waiting to possess the witch at anytime. Intresting premise nonetheless.

It is indeed that, no question in that regard but as I stated earlier any action of that level has to have severe consequences for the X-men. The idea that they could pull something like that off and not get caught or called out on it is just not feasible. It would be like thinking that Moira, Xavier, and Magneto can actually stop the return of Destiny or pull a fast one on Mystique, it's just not going to happen.

[Hulkout42]

This is a fun idea, but I don't think it would really satisfy fans or haters. An earlier version of a character, or an alternate-universe version of a character, never feels like the same person we loved or hated. It would be the equivalent of when Tony Stark became a murderer and they killed him off and replaced him with his earlier self as a teenager.

Wanda fans wouldn't accept the "pure" version because it would be admitting that HoM was her fault. Haters would just act as if she was the same version who did HoM, much like the Phoenix retcon never really stopped people from thinking of Jean and Dark Phoenix as one and the same.

Human nature and reasoning at its finest.

[GenericUsername]

Here’s how this is gonna play out...

- Moira approaches Xavier and only Xavier with concerns about Wanda still being a threat based on things she’s seen in past lives. She says that she must be brought to Krakoa to stand trial. Importantly, she convinces Xavier that she is too dangerous to simply be thrown into the pit like Sabretooth. She must be convicted and she must be put to death! Xavier must convince the Quiet Council to break one of its cardinal rules about killing humans.

- Xavier sends Scott’s elite team to capture Wanda and bring her to Krakoa to stand trial. Although more powerful than any single member of Team Scott, she is eventually overpowered and bright to Krakoa.

- After a 7-5 Quiet Council vote, Wanda is found GUILTY with the penalty being DEATH, the means of which is THE CRUCIBLE, a one one one fight with Apocalypse. After a lengthy battle, Wanda is gutted by Apocalypse and quickly succumbs to her wounds.

- Later, Moira approaches Magneto and tells him that she KNOWS that Wanda was a mutant, based on what she saw in lives 6-9. She can be resurrected! A plan is created between Moira and Magneto to act at a time when Xavier is out of the country meeting with various world leaders. Charles must be out of the picture because he was the one who called for Wanda’s death so he absolutely would not go along with the Wanda revival. Magneto is to get Wanda’s genetic material from Sinister. As a scientist, Sinister has kept Wanda’s DNA and loved the idea of seeing whether or not Wanda will actually return to life. Magneto and Sinister approach “The Five” about reviving Wanda. While “The 5” are skeptical of acting without Xavier at first, Magneto and Sinister appeal to their arrogance and they eventually agree.

- Under the cover of darkness, Wanda lives! Under Magneto’s instruction, “The Five” bring her back to life to an age from before she ever went mad!

- Xavier returns and is flabbergasted! Moira calls a meeting with Charles, Magneto, and Wanda. In the meeting it is made clear that Moira has been manipulating both Charles and Magneto behind each other’s backs. But why? Moira tells the boys that she wanted to make it clear to both of them that SHE controls the happenings from here on out. No more agreeing to revive Destiny or secret meetings with Sinister behind her back. And, oh, there’s one other thing. Wanda is now Moira’s ally which will balance the scales vs Charles/Magneto. Furthermore, either Charles or Magneto is to give up his seat on the Quiet Council in place of Wanda. Charles and Magneto have to decide amongst themselves who gives their seat to Wanda, causing enough of a rift to prevent them from working together behind Moira’s back, but not enough to put an end to Plan Krakoa.

Results...
- Moira retakes control of Plan Krakoa
- Wanda is reborn to a more pure state with no memory of what she’d done in the past
- Wanda fans get a version of Wanda that didn’t do any of those bad things to mutants
- Wanda haters still get to hate since she will still have the potential to go dark at any time in their minds

I've felt like Wanda needs a reboot but not like this. She should just stay away from all things X. They borked the chance at a villain arc or redemption. Anything that characters actually treated like characters get. And again, it's been 15 years. It's been too long. What was done, was done. And if they do a reboot, it should be on the Avengers side. Because that's where she's spent the majority of her time. Where all the people important in her life are. I'm not at all interested in re-treading another attempt at closing out M-day. AvX and UA were enough of a garbage pit.

[CoCoBandz]

um no? the character isnt a mutant or an x-men why on earth would she become an important figure on krakoa

Avenger privilege.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

Wanda will be the one to save all the X-Men and non-evil mutants when the villains they’re cavorting with finally turn on them.

There, redemption.

[BroHomo]

Wanda will be the one to save all the X-Men and non-evil mutants when the villains they’re cavorting with finally turn on them.

There, redemption.

Theres no bigger X-Men villian than The Pretender lol

[Bunch of Coconuts]

Theres no bigger X-Men villian than The Pretender lol

If the “I said it, therefore it’s true” shtick really holds, then we actually just cancel each other out.

[Steel Inquisitor]

The way I feel about Mday doesnt come from a place of anger its more like annoyance, Mostly of the tactless and crass way the supporters of The Pretender downplay the event and even defend The Pretender's actions that led up to it.

You're admitting you extreme behaviour is merely a performance? Which you're still continuing in this very post. We're not downplaying anything, you insist on exaggerating the tragedy and ignoring the facts to do so. Anything to turn her into a caricature with no depth, just a plot device to be hated. Everything Sinister is, but defending everything he does as though the X-men were the villains fighting him. Genocide, massacring the entire X-men, taking the dignity of a Native America because he's a 19th century colonist at heart, nothing matters. He's the good guy. And you're not doing it because he's a great character but because you're ok with his decisions.

The fact you're dodging what Thunderbird would think about Sinister speaks volumes, as does your tasteless defence of Sinister by not only throwing Thunderbird under the bus but your choice of language about his Native American heritage.

No idea who that is. But obviously Sinister didnt just dump his mind into the clones body....No one knows whats up with the SiniClones but we've seen them have disagreements/argue. The scan posted a few pages ago shows that perfectly. Which indicates that while these are clones think like Sinister...(hold the same contempt for life, obsessed with creating the perfect mutant etc.) They shouldn't be held accountable for his past deeds.

Spider-man villain, makes clones. Responsible for the Clone Saga. Sinister's not only a superior scientist and super-villain he's superior at clones - which is Miles Warren's niche.



If you're as big an X-fan as I think you know what Sinister is capable of and are whitewashing his history with this excuse anyway. Everyone knows what Sinister's capable of, Hickman didn't create him in the last few months. Don't gaslight the thread, please. That scan proves nothing, he's one of the most powerful telepaths on Earth - occupying multiple bodies should be child's play for him.

Against being propped up as worse than The Pretender...Sure you're right.

Wanda has more history before an actual mutant than Sinister does. This "Pretender" stance is petty, and hypocritical seeing the lengths you'd defend Sinister himself stealing an x-gene from a honored X-man.

Well ThunderBird could be a nazi anarchist...but it doesnt matter since theres Im not taking anyone's side over the other....cause there's no sides!!

In your fanfic, maybe - in Marvel we know he isn't. It matters since we're talking about canon here and you're derailing tastelessly. Do you think Sinister is a Nazi anarchist? You're outspoken for the sides you present, you haven't made it a secret. We appreciate how up front you are so we know where you stand and it's been enlightening.

Im not sure being more honorable than 'one of the most untrustworthy super-villains' means anything tho. Everyone expects Mystique to beat him to the betrayal punch tho.

Mystique is more honourable then Sinister, she's doing it because she has a reason. She has her own issues with being trustworthy but she does follow a code, Sinister's always been a cardboard cutout of a super-villain with style.

I'm allergic to Alllll kinds of Kitty Cats

Got to do better than this if you want people to think you're not supporting Sinister. You're barely trying here.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

I’m just over here wondering why all my favorite characters wind up getting possessed/sad and fucking with reality or otherwise attempting to destroy the world.

Wanda Maximoff forgets she had kids (lol Bendis) and gets sad/possessed, leading to Decimation/M-Day.

Barry Allen gets sad about his mom getting killed and creates Flash Paradox and then the New 52.

Robert Drake gets sad/possessed about being gay and freezes the whole planet.

Thank god I’m not a Hal Jordan fan (John’s my pick), or I’d have to quit comics!

Oh wait...

[BroHomo]

Got to do better than this if you want people to think you're not supporting Sinister. You're barely trying here.

oh I forgot Kittens/Cats=Sinister.
lol
Are my posts are getting lost in translation? I mostly post sarcastically or make use of Non-sequitars which I'm guessing are not In your vocab wheelhouse

[Lucyinthesky]

This is a fun idea, but I don't think it would really satisfy fans or haters. An earlier version of a character, or an alternate-universe version of a character, never feels like the same person we loved or hated. It would be the equivalent of when Tony Stark became a murderer and they killed him off and replaced him with his earlier self as a teenager.

Wanda fans wouldn't accept the "pure" version because it would be admitting that HoM was her fault. Haters would just act as if she was the same version who did HoM, much like the Phoenix retcon never really stopped people from thinking of Jean and Dark Phoenix as one and the same.

Agreed completely it just doesn´t work this feels like cheating because they would truly be different people and it would not help resolve the issues left by past storylines. I like the idea of her being in Krakoa but it´s hard to imagine this happening given her own personal interest lies with the Avengers so for her to interact with mutants again it could only be in a event.

[Ferro]

wanda on krakoa is ten times more dangerous than any villain on it, because they get a benefit from krakoa and have a common enemy, well wanda pratically sleeps with said enemy and has stated her disdain for mutant issues and only sugests complete assimilation.

shed never see the positives and do something to make sure every mutant civilian returns to the misery they had in human society to fit her prespective that they too can abandon their culture, climb their way into a priveledged position and use it as a shield and to pretend they aren't difrent from other humans