All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[Carabas]

This is fantastic news for all the people on this forum who have been impressed with her as a political figure.

Not actually news, not even fake news. Just an opinion piece.

[Jack Dracula]

Also...Why the hell isn't he just attacking her ideas instead? Could it be that he has nothing better to offer?

In the process of attacking her ideas, he'd have to explain them and why he thinks they're wrong. For him, the negatives of that would be:

1) He'd actually have to research and think about the subjects, which requires time and effort.

2) He'd be giving his supporters the opportunity to actually learn about her ideas, which could lead to their approval of them.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

As long as the majority of Americans wouldn't be caught death near a voting booth they can run on it and win on it as long as they like.
It's the same with gun control, which is also supported by a majority of Americans.

Of course that does rely on them not being stupid enough to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and actually do away with Roe v. Wade.

This. People **** on Romney for his comments during the election, but the gist of it is right. You don't run an election thinking you can win as many people as possible. You right off a huge chunk who will never vote for you outright and don't waste resources on them, and then you drive up as much attendance from your base and then play war games for independents and undecideds who lean your way. Yes you absolutely can run on an unpopular policy if it polls well with your base and isn't important to the people you need to win.

[heretic]

I never thought I'd see the day when the government would be actively trying to revoke citizenship on large numbers of people in order to deport them. Trump has to be stopped, somehow. This is getting beyond insane.

This is likely being sold as dealing with scam artists and liars gaining citizenship under false pretenses.

If anyone here does not think transcription/transliteration errors will not be seized upon, I have a bridge to sell you.

[InformationGeek]

F**king **** man. Ben Carson is on Facebook posting some horrible, offensive, misleading information about what abortions look like in America by posting a photo of something from Brazil.

It's vile and makes me sick, especially seeing an old friend from childhood fall for it and share it. I won't share it with you guys, but if you want to know what Ben Carson is up to, it's this s**t on Facebook.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

There goes America, being an ******* again.

Revolting, but not unexpected. As with everything regarding Trump’s Abominable Administration, you gotta follow the money. Which of those companies that are in the business of producing formula is Dolt45 or his minions in bed with?

[JCAll]

Okay, maybe I’m ignorant (god knows I’ve been called worse things), but I’ve never understood the GOP’s obsession with keeping Trump safe from harm. His numbers in the polls have never seen the high side of 40 percent since the day he was sworn in, so it’s not like there would be a revolt from the public if he’s removed from office, and if that were to happen, Pence would assume the duties of president, so Republicans would still control the Executive Branch. The only scenario where the GOP needs to keep Caramel Caligula around would be if they lose the midterms, Democrats reclaim either the House or Senate and he’d be the last line of defense against Dems obstructing them. Otherwise, Trump’s about as useful as **** on a warthog.

Presumably, if the GOP ever admitted fault for anything the glamour would fail and the whole house of lies would come crashing down.

[Mister Mets]

Also...Why the hell isn't he just attacking her ideas instead? Could it be that he has nothing better to offer?

It's not as if the criticism of Republicans comes down solely to ideas.

It's gaslighting plain and simple and the GOP has been doing it for years now.

Any party that would allow a pathological liar like Trump to rise to their forefront has little right to attack others on the basis of such a relative non-issue -- it's just the "projection" aspect of the "Gaslight, Obstruct, Project" party.

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"Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target (person) and delegitimize the target's belief."

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The modern GOP are nothing if not predictable -- even now they are trying to turn the immigration issue into the "abolish ICE" issue rather than addressing the fact that they have no real plan to reunite ALL of the children involved with their families within 30 days as legally required.

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""Is separating children on the border the Christian thing to do?" one reporter called out.

Pence ignored the question as he walked among the gathering shaking hands before departing."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ncy/763312002/

With the Warren thing, her insistence that she's Native American without any evidence (when a genealogist quoted in the fact-checking articles looked into her family going back to the early 1800s and determined that everyone was listed as white) is a bit weird. Trump's done weird stuff as well, but this allows a potential presidential race to be one between two weirdos.

As for whether 'Abolish ICE' is a distraction, it is more important to consider immigration policy for the 12 million Illegal immigrants in the country (and the millions who will come to the country in the future) than for 3,000.

Tendrin, Thank you!

There is a lot more to this than what Trey or Number 30 is explaining. What people don't understand is that there have been marches in neighborhoods where there was shootings, and in some cases people were shot at while doing memorials and the like. So they decided to take it to a place where it's not just going to get the attention of Chicago, we've been paying attention for a long time now, but on a national level, to maybe get people who are hiding this information to at least see that there are people tired of this.

Regarding the jobs thing. The issue is that there are some that can leave the area but most people can't. See there are a lot of single parents and in a lot of cases they have to take public transit. Now this wouldn't be a big deal if there was a way for the kids to be taken care of but because of not having daycare in the area or people to watch the kids, Moms and dad's can't go to work far so that they can be home for the kids. Then there are the gangs where they take out people's family if they talk. Just an example, there was a case a few years ago where a kid was killed in retaliation for a situation with another gang member. They killed a little kid as a payback for the father either getting into a fight or something with a rival gang. This is why people are scared to talk. They don't want to be killed.

Add to that you have issues with the cops, you have the whole split within the community, and the reason why people want the jobs there is to better the community. Closer jobs means parents can be closer to their kids. The kids have their parents, or an opportunity to work so they make money and don't feel the need to get involved in the gangs. There's a whole other level of stuff that I can't really explain because of the history, long and sordided that it is, is a lot to digest and I"m not the best person to go into the more cultural aspect of it.

So forgive me if I'm a bit pissed that I see people ragging on this. Do you know how nice it was that this went off without some sort of horrible incident.

Republicans have had a solution for years to the problem of bad violent people.

From the Onion...


A serious concern is that there's no clear policy recommendation, which makes the protests counterproductive. How do we keep people safe, and punish the bad people, while protecting everyone's constitutional rights?

Okay, maybe I’m ignorant (god knows I’ve been called worse things), but I’ve never understood the GOP’s obsession with keeping Trump safe from harm. His numbers in the polls have never seen the high side of 40 percent since the day he was sworn in, so it’s not like there would be a revolt from the public if he’s removed from office, and if that were to happen, Pence would assume the duties of president, so Republicans would still control the Executive Branch. The only scenario where the GOP needs to keep Caramel Caligula around would be if they lose the midterms, Democrats reclaim either the House or Senate and he’d be the last line of defense against Dems obstructing them. Otherwise, Trump’s about as useful as **** on a warthog.

While Trump's approval rating is in the 40s, this isn't evenly distributed across the political spectrum. Democrats generally hate Trump, while he's doing pretty well with Republican primary voters.

There are some other reasons for the lack of pushback...

He is shameless, so he is not the type to take a hit for the good of the party. If anyone goes after him, he'll try to take them down.

His entire primary campaign was based on the idea that the system is rigged, and the insiders are responsible. Any effort by Republicans to bring him down would be seen as proof of this, so this would be something where they would need ironclad proof.

There is the perception that many of the criticisms against him are exaggerated, and that the bad things he has done aren't that terrible in the larger context.

[aja_christopher]

It's not as if the criticism of Republicans comes down solely to ideas.

With the Warren thing, her insistence that she's Native American without any evidence (when a genealogist quoted in the fact-checking articles looked into her family going back to the early 1800s and determined that everyone was listed as white) is a bit weird. Trump's done weird stuff as well, but this allows a potential presidential race to be one between two weirdos.

As for whether 'Abolish ICE' is a distraction, it is more important to consider immigration policy for the 12 million Illegal immigrants in the country (and the millions who will come to the country in the future) than for 3,000.

No sane person would claim that Warren vs. Trump is a race between "two weirdos" on the basis of some non-issue insult that has little to nothing to do with the office of the presidency -- if the argument is that such a claim makes her just as dishonest as Trump then that just goes to show that it's impossible to have an objective discussion on matters like this with a supporter of the Republican party.

Despite the overt racism behind it, at least with Obama claiming that he was Kenyan challenged his legal validity to the presidency -- with Warren it's nothing but playground name-calling, plain and simple.

As Warren herself points out -- your Republican President is separating children from their parents without due process while he engages in racist childhood insults in order to damage her credibility: that's not something a "weirdo" does -- those are the actions of a sociopath.

With regards to the "abolish ICE" issue: the "distraction" is that we are NOT having a discussion on the immigration policy -- Trump is just throwing them into camps in violation of the law and Pence just walks away when asked questions about it.

Have your Republican party actually follow the law first and then discuss what bipartisan changes need to be made to said laws in the future -- that's how democracy works.

Edit: Changed "president" to "party" since this is just as much Sessions idea as anyone else's and the majority of the Republican "base" supports Trump's actions.

[aja_christopher]

"A federal judge has given the Trump administration 30 days to reunify the thousands of families separated by immigration agents at the U.S.-Mexico border and ruled that U.S. immigration agents can no longer separate children from their parents.

U.S. District Court Judge Dana Sabraw issued the ruling late Tuesday evening, granting the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) a preliminary injunction in a lawsuit filed over the family separation policy.

Sabraw ruled that the government must reunite parents separated from children younger than 5 years old within 14 days of the order, and children 5 years old and older within 30 days.

The federal judge also issued a ban on any involuntary deportation of parents without their children and ordered that the government put parents who have yet to speak to their children since their separation in "telephonic contact with their children" within 10 days.

More than 2,300 immigrant children were separated from their parents under the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" immigration practice, which was launched in May and ordered the prosecution of all adults caught crossing the border illegally, including parents with children. The parents were taken to federal jails, while their children were taken into the custody of the department of Health and Human Services.

After facing widespread backlash over the practice, which the United Nations branded a violation of children's rights, President Donald Trump signed an executive order rescinding the policy on June 20, but as many as 2,000 children have yet to be reunited with their families.

In her ruling, which was published online by the ACLU, Sabraw said the "facts set before the court portray reactive governance responses to address a chaotic circumstance of the government's own making" and warrant "the extraordinary remedy of classwide preliminary injunction."

"They belie measured and ordered governance, which is central to the concept of due process enshrined in our Constitution," the judge said, adding: "This is particularly so in the treatment of migrants, many of whom are asylum seekers, and small children."

http://www.newsweek.com/will-trump-a...l-court-996764

[wjowski]

Muckraking garbage.

[Tazirai]

Here's video. If you were headed Southbound, it wasn't even remotely your problem.

We need more.


Also,

DON'T TRUST ANYTHING TIPPI LONGSTOCKING SAYS!!
Don't trust Taffy.Even if she's right once, don't trust Timmy.
They are not honest actors, especially Tory.


Tomi Lahren Warns It’d Be A ‘Big Mistake’ Overturning Roe v. Wade
The Fox News commentator faced backlash from viewers after advising against trying to rescind the landmark decision.

[Mecegirl]

It's not as if the criticism of Republicans comes down solely to ideas.

When's the last time a Republican's heritage come into to question?

[InformationGeek]

VP Mike Pence vows to protect ICE: “Attacks on ICE by our political leaders must stop.”

Man working for gigantic ass hypocrite says what now?


Do I hear an eighth coming in the future?

A seventh former Ohio State University wrestler came forward Saturday with claims that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) knew about alleged sexual abuse taking place on the wrestling team while he was an assistant coach.

David Range told The Washington Post that Jordan must have known about the alleged sexual abuse by athletic doctor Richard Strauss because it happened regularly and was often discussed.

“Jordan definitely knew that these things were happening — yes, most definitely,” Range told the newspaper. “It was there. He knew about it because it was an everyday occurrence.”

The former wrestler said he did not talk about the alleged abuse with Jordan directly and was unaware of any formal reports made about it. He said the lawmaker was in the locker room during conversations about the topic.

“We talked about it all the time in the locker room” with Jordan present, Range told the Post. “Everybody joked about it and talked about it all the time.”

Jordan has denied any knowledge of the alleged abuse since former wrestlers first told NBC News in a report published Tuesday that Jordan was aware of Strauss’s behavior. Strauss killed himself in 2005.

Jordan told Fox News’s Bret Baier Friday that the allegations are “false” and called the timing of the claims “suspect,” as he makes a bid to become the next Speaker of the House.

“Conversations in a locker room are a lot different than allegations of abuse or reported abuse,” the lawmaker said Friday, adding that “no one ever reported any abuse to me.”

Jordan also called into question the character of two of the former wrestlers during the Friday interview, saying one — Mike DiSabato — has a “vendetta” against him and the university.

The Post reported on Saturday that two former Ohio State wrestlers defended Jordan, saying they believed he was unaware of the allegations.

“It’s way more likely that [he] didn’t know than did know,” one of the ex-wrestlers told the newspaper. “We were so guarded around these guys. ... I think the only reason he’s being dragged into it is because of his political stature, and I think that’s terrible.”

[Tendrin]

The lead hard-core gang prosecutor in the San Bernardino County District Attorney’s Office is under investigation for a series of offensive rants on social media, triggering demands for his dismissal.
Deputy District Attorney Michael Selyem, who joined the D.A.’s Office 12 years ago, targeted outspoken U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, former first lady Michelle Obama, Mexican immigrants and the victim of a police shooting in Facebook and Instagram posts labeled by one critic as “hateful rhetoric.”

Of Waters, Selyem said: “Being a loud-mouthed c#nt in the ghetto you would think someone would have shot this bitch by now …”

In an online argument with someone over the police shooting of a civilian, Selyem wrote, “That s—bag got exactly what he deserved. … You reap what you sow. And by the way go f— yourself you liberal s—bag.”

It was unclear which police shooting Selyem was referencing, and whether or not it was an open case in San Bernardino County or had occurred elsewhere.

Selyem also posted a doctored picture of Michelle Obama holding a sign saying, “Trump grabbed my penis.”

If he's willing to say that in social media, how do you imagine he's conducted himself on the job?

https://www.sbsun.com/2018/07/06/top...l-media-posts/