Black Panther Appreciation: Wakanda Forever!

[Holt]

Well, two of them did..... one of which is missing and the other is now a government lackey...


neither of which is on the avengers lol

There's a difference between what the audience knows and what the characters do, though. Unless they've all given public hearings explaining what really happened, someone in the MCU would be forgiven for assuming the Avengers are a bunch of loose canons who made a killer robot and then let the Hulk loose in South Africa.

[Realdealholy]

SHIELD was oversaw by the WORLD COUNCIL

not the "american" council, it was an international organization

And now, they are clamping down even further. It makes sense considering what happened in Age of Ultron.

[MindofShadow]

The Avengers as an organization is still there. Just because those two members are gone, doesn't mean future members won't do something similar to what they did.

I wouldn't be surprised if governments try to hold Tony accountable too. Although, he can argue that he was trying to stop Hulk, and that its to the benefit of the government(s) to have him on their side.

I am just saying that "The Avengers" didn't create Ultron. Tony and Hulk did. Behind everyone elses back. Much to the anger of everyone else.


The biggest mistake the "Avengers" as a whole did was basically leave Banner in the plane by himself. they actively didn't bring The Hulk with them. they always kept him in the back and only used him when it was called for. They didn't forsee super fast dude taking mental weirdo girl and messing with him. Shoulda had Hawkeye guard the plane I guess.

[MindofShadow]

And now, they are clamping down even further. It makes sense considering what happened in Age of Ultron.

It also makes sense for Cap to go, "wait, wut? I ain't doin that" as well.


If the Accords are focused ONLY on the Avengers as an entity, then they are useless. If the Accords have some sort of "registration of powers" for ALL enhanced beings... it makes more sense. But, then again, Ultron wasn't created because Tony and banner have powers. He was created because they are stupid smart and reckless.

[Realdealholy]

I am just saying that "The Avengers" didn't create Ultron. Tony and Hulk did. Behind everyone elses back. Much to the anger of everyone else.


The biggest mistake the "Avengers" as a whole did was basically leave Banner in the plane by himself. they actively didn't bring The Hulk with them. they always kept him in the back and only used him when it was called for. They didn't forsee super fast dude taking mental weirdo girl and messing with him. Shoulda had Hawkeye guard the plane I guess.

Tony and Banner were Avengers at the time of Ultron's creation, and were using Avenger resources to make it happen. And usually when such major blunders occur like that, the entire organization gets the blame. Especially the leader. It's not fair, but that's how it works.

And in any case, the same thing can happen again, this time with other members. Hence why the world orgs are coming down on them.

[Realdealholy]

It also makes sense for Cap to go, "wait, wut? I ain't doin that" as well.


If the Accords are focused ONLY on the Avengers as an entity, then they are useless. If the Accords have some sort of "registration of powers" for ALL enhanced beings... it makes more sense. But, then again, Ultron wasn't created because Tony and banner have powers. He was created because they are stupid smart and reckless.

Cap disagreeing with it is perfectly fine, I have no problems with it. I'm just saying the World orgs are justified in behaving the way they are.

We don't know the details of the accords. What we do know is that they affect the Avengers, who are the face of enhanced beings and supertech / highly trained heroes in the MCU. And one of the supporters of the accords is a former Avenger himself. Hence the conflict.

It'll be a good movie, most def.

[MindofShadow]

Tony and Banner were Avengers at the time of Ultron's creation, and were using Avenger resources to make it happen. And usually when such major blunders occur like that, the entire organization gets the blame. Especially the leader. It's not fair, but that's how it works.

And in any case, the same thing can happen again, this time with other members. Hence why the world orgs are coming down on them.

Eh. It was Tony using Tony's resources. I don't think Cap, Widow, Hawkeye, Thor, ect are bringing in the cheese



I think one of the things that "bothers" me is the fact that General Ross is kind of the face of this. He doesn't want the Avengers going into other countries and causing destruction....

Yet, went into Brazil, caused Banner to Hulk out and destroy stuff.

Oh, and he created the Abomination, causing Harlem to be smashed.

And the other face of this is STark, the one who created Ultron behind everones back from the start. Its just... odd lol

[MindofShadow]

It'll be a good movie, most def.

[MindofShadow]

That's interesting. So T'Challa is one of the World leaders responsible for clamping down on super humans. Well, that would certainly explain why he's siding with Tony. Tony is essentially enforcing the rules T'Challa and the other world leaders are coming up with.

Shouldn't it be T'chaka?

[XPac]

There's a difference between what the audience knows and what the characters do, though. Unless they've all given public hearings explaining what really happened, someone in the MCU would be forgiven for assuming the Avengers are a bunch of loose canons who made a killer robot and then let the Hulk loose in South Africa.

That's why things like Civil War are unfortunately necessarily and in the long run beneficial.

It'll show both the audience and the characters in-story just how corrupt and incompetent governments in the MU (and presumably MCU) are, thereby demonstrating and justifying the relative autonomy the super hero community has. It's essentially the genre in the long run justifying itself. The governments will stuck, everyone will see how much they suck, and in the long run at least they'll leave the heroes alone to do what they do afterwards.

[XPac]

Shouldn't it be T'chaka?

The article says T'Challa specifically... but I don't know. If T'Chaka is around I'm not exactly sure how it works in regards to T'Challa being Black Panther and who is king. Obviously they're going in a different direction from the comics in this regard.

[MindofShadow]

The article says T'Challa specifically... but I don't know. If T'Chaka is around I'm not exactly sure how it works in regards to T'Challa being Black Panther and who is king. Obviously they're going in a different direction from the comics in this regard.

This is even weirder

One man helping form the new laws is a young leader named T’Challa (Chadwick Boseman) from the fictional African nation of Wakanda, who has a secret identity himself — the long awaited Black Panther.

Secret Identity? Huh?

I wonder if EW is... taken liberties with what they "know" and essentially assuming stuff.

[Realdealholy]

Shouldn't it be T'chaka?

T'Challa could be speaking in T'Chaka's behalf and with his full authority.

[Omega Alpha]

So this other EW article about the behind the scenes of the splash fight mentions that Tchalla works with the rest of the world leaders to help make Sokovia Accord.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/02...ar-splash-page

It says T'challa is giving a beating in (minor spoilers) spoilers:

Ant-Man, which makes sense. This could indicate he has enhanced senses, because he'd be the one guy Ant-Man can't sneak on.

end of spoilers

I have a feeling this is gonna be one of T'challa's first times being in the BP habit. Unless they are changing the mythos a bit, if T'chaka is alive he should be Black Panther.

It's possible T'chaka passed the mantle to T'challa and remained as King.

Since the main theory is that T'challa is hunting Bucky, maybe that happens because T'chaka suffered an assassination attempt by him and it's now too injured/sick to be the BP.

This is even weirder



Secret Identity? Huh?

I wonder if EW is... taken liberties with what they "know" and essentially assuming stuff.

This is most likely.

T'Challa could be speaking in T'Chaka's behalf and with his full authority.

Yes, he could also have served as a scientific/technical consultant there.

[MindofShadow]

It says T'challa is giving a beating in (minor spoilers) spoilers:

Ant-Man, which makes sense. This could indicate he has enhanced senses, because he'd be the one guy Ant-Man can't sneak on.

end of spoilers

it says Black Widow, not Black Panther

Widow beating Ant-Man is ridiculous... will they just outright state she is peak human and be done with it lol?