I hope there isn’t an impact. I honestly don’t want some terrible mutant supremacy status quo in all my Marvel books for the next two years.
I hope there isn’t an impact. I honestly don’t want some terrible mutant supremacy status quo in all my Marvel books for the next two years.
+ Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver DID commited crimes, but they were two unlucky guys who spent their lifes manipulated by everyone (Magneto, the High Evolutionary...); and they weren't even mutants. Cap only gave them a chance.
+ I can't say anything about the Red Hulk, as General Ross was always an imbecile to me. But I guess when you are facing an alien invasion or another "end of the world", a Hulk's might is really needed. And if Bruce Banner isn't available, you either recruit She-Hulk, A-Bomb or any other close enough. (At least they never tried to recruit Abomination).
+ Thor was in her weakest in Secret Empire, and Hydra Cap manipulated everyone as he pleased. Thor made a mistake, but more than recovering his hammer, he wanted to free Jane/Thor from wherever Hydra Cap sent her.
+ I lost any respect for Iron Man long ago because of his insufferable ego. And he's also the one who started the second Civil War, only in the other side. He has such a ego like other members of the Iluminati, like Charles Xavier himself.
+ The people apparently can't simply understand the concept that Hulk only wants to be left alone. He's a Gamma Bomb, and he's very dangerous, that's right; but if you don't tick that bomb, he won't explode. Many destructions caused by Hulk were because of villains' manipulations, or because Ross and others persecutions. Ross is way more cynical than Hulk himself.
+ I can't say anything about the errors caused by the Avengers.
+ Those killings of innocent mutants would have been avoided if the X-Men would have put an end or a stop to the guilty mutants. Everytime they left Magneto, Mystique, Mr Sinister or any other criminal mutant to run free and cause destruction, they gave reasons to goverments and hating groups to exterminate innocent mutants before they turn as dangerous as the ones who caused these disasters. I know this sounds very similar to what superheroes do with supervillains usually; but the difference is that they are usually created by accidents, while the mutants are already born with a potential genetic ticking bomb waiting to explode.
+ Bolivar Trask created the Sentinels so humanity could have a defense against the potential destructive power of mutants. You can't blame him for that. About Bolivar Trask, we was shot by a regular policeman when he tried to kill Kitty Pryde on TV. And the Scarlet Witch was manipulated by Quicksilver and Magneto to create the "House of M's reality". Scarlet Witch simply had his payback on Magneto fo rthat. An besides, she didn't kill any mutant, she only removed their powers and turned them into humans. That's not the same as "killing".
What lines has Xavier crossed in HoX/PoX and before that is so egregious?
Unlikely. Because MCU have the rights to the characters again. Quesada notoriously declared a moratorium on expanding the X-Men universe in the wake of Decimation (https://icv2.com/articles/comics/vie...o-more-mutants) driven largely by the rights issues. If Hickman's run sells well, and it looks like he's doing so, and if the DoX launch works (which given the crew Hickman assembled looks like it should), then the X-Men will be there to stay.Something will happen, surely through 2020, that will cause the Mutants to be back to where they always are: Mostly exterminated and relentlessly chased by those who hate them.
Humanity has invented machines to genocide mutantkind, and have done so multiple times, repeatedly.
"You've forgotten that machines have no souls. And humanity lost theirs a long time ago."
Well, about the lines crossed by Xavier, he tried to impose a mutant nation, just like Magneto did. In the last issue, he dared to play God resurrecting dead mutants, as if they have any right to play with Death that way. (Thanos would surely kills the mutants for that). And in Jerusalen, Xavier and Magneto dared to say mutants were humanity's new Gods.
Humanity created machines to protect themselves from the destructive power of the Mutants. Magneto attacks several places and kills innocent people, humanity need a way to defend against it. Clearly, reached a limit, humanity have to take the offensive here. "Humanity lost their souls a long time ago"; well, it seems they even forget that, before they mutant powers activate, they all were humans too.
Xavier built a mutant nation out of consent with the governed, with offers of trade and peaceful methods. Magneto extorted UN into giving him Genosha by threatening them with terrorism.
If you can't see the difference then I don't know.
Humanity has played god ever since they put the Soldier Serum into Steve Rogers (and as per retcons people before Steve such as Isaiah Bradley, and also others).In the last issue, he dared to play God resurrecting dead mutants, as if they have any right to play with Death that way.
In this case, Xavier rescued the lives of X-Men who shut down a genocide machine built by every secret society including Nazi groups like HYDRA
Well it was Magneto who said that. That's more modest than some stuff that real diplomats have done.And in Jerusalen, Xavier and Magneto dared to say mutants were humanity's new Gods.
They built Sentinel robots that have a directive to genocide and kill anyone with an X-Gene...including children, and sent those robots pre-emptively. They were building on Mother Mold well before Krakoa showed up.Humanity created machines to protect themselves from the destructive power of the Mutants.
I know we don't giant genocidal robots here, but at the same time, well, this book makes a fine argument for why some people might think they're a goodish idea.
You do realize that those robots were invented and in production before Krakoa and its unveiling, right? That was laid out clearly. Whatever your ambivalent feelings about Xavier's project and it's intentionally ambivalent very much so...that wasn't a factor in Orchis creating Mother Mold.
If the X-Men didn't form Krakoa and create a society, they wouldn't have been able to act in time and unplug Mother Mold.
I swear some of the posts here could be copied and pasted into the mouth of an anti-mutant politician in the X-books lol
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He also had no idea what was going on and was still trusting who he thought was his best friend, who he also thought was still worthy of the hammer he couldn't lift himself, giving Stevil the perceived moral high ground.
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