Damian Wayne Robin Appreciation 2021

[Fergus]

As far as I recall, Dick never said that Tim had to be put in Arkham. He just implied that Tim was in severe denial about the whole thing with Bruce and he needed help, psychological, help, maybe, because he had lost a lot of friends by then. Dick wasn't especially nice or sensible, he came across a bit too condescending and patronizing, if I recall right. But nothing like some fanfiction and some headcanons imply or tell.

Dick did put Jason in Arkham, Bruce let him there too when he came back, if I recall. Apparently they thought he would be safer in there than in Blackgate (nonsense, but whatever). Joker wasn't there when Jason was, despite, again, some fan depictions of his time there.

Dick was sensible in how he handled Tim since Tim had no proof and had nothing to back up his claims.

he was respectful and even tried to be understanding with Tim.

Jason threatened to expose 10 yr old Damian's nudity to the whole of Gotham and was acting very disturbed since he returned and in BFTC. Dick was right to put him in an Asylum not a regular prison.

[Fergus]

Anyway, I thing family, friendship and love works like this, he can give up of his brother for take care of job, romantic relationship, another brother, a child, even knowing he is needed, he changes the focus and this is it?

Dick isn't Damian's father. Damian isn't his responsibility and Dick has his own problems to take care of. No-one should be expecting him to be looking out for Damian.

[Fergus]

I think Damian-Dick now is a little like Tim-Dick when Tim discovered Bruce is lost in pass and no one believes and Dick is like "you are crazy, I will put you on Arkaham", broke the idea of Dick being this big brother we all love. (I remember someone here told about it happening with Dick-Jason, but I didn't really read it).

Not sure what comics you've been reading but Tim never discovered that Bruce was lost in Time [that was Dick]

Dick never said that Tim was Crazy
Dick never said that he'd put Tim in Arkham.
Tim didn't know that Bruce was lost in time
Tim didn't discover that Bruce was lost in time. That was Dick [Alfred also solved some of the initial clues]
Where are you getting all this? None of this ever happened.

Tim believed bruce wasn't dead. when asked why he had no clue and he was acting out and being immature even attacking damian and rejecting his father's name.

[Fergus]

Believe this is for the DC Festival of Heroes: The Asian Superhero Celebration one-shot:

https://twitter.com/juni_ba/status/1376638774088757254

Now I want some corn.

[Rebeca Armus]

Not sure what comics you've been reading but Tim never discovered that Bruce was lost in Time [that was Dick]

Dick never said that Tim was Crazy
Dick never said that he'd put Tim in Arkham.
Tim didn't know that Bruce was lost in time
Tim didn't discover that Bruce was lost in time. That was Dick [Alfred also solved some of the initial clues]
Where are you getting all this? None of this ever happened.

Tim believed bruce wasn't dead. when asked why he had no clue and he was acting out and being immature even attacking damian and rejecting his father's name.

I didn't read Tim's stories because he is not inside my favorite characters, I just red what appears in Batman and Robin, I red Red Robin (muuch time ago, I need references) and asked a Tim's fan about his story (also for get reference), maybe this person exaggerated a little and made Dick a big Villain and Tim too much smart?
About Tim discovering Bruce was lost in time I thought they do this while Tim do this, I think Dick said "Tim was right, Bruce is not dead, he is lost in time" when they found Bruce in the old portrait... actually, I do believe Tim knew this before, I remember he noticing Bruce was not dead because a portrait, but he could not prove...
Sorry for so many mistakes ><

[Rebeca Armus]

Dick isn't Damian's father. Damian isn't his responsibility and Dick has his own problems to take care of. No-one should be expecting him to be looking out for Damian.

Agree, just like real life, but still hurts... just like in real life.

[Fergus]

I didn't read Tim's stories because he is not inside my favorite characters, I just red what appears in Batman and Robin, I red Red Robin (muuch time ago, I need references) and asked a Tim's fan about his story (also for get reference), maybe this person exaggerated a little and made Dick a big Villain and Tim too much smart?
About Tim discovering Bruce was lost in time I thought they do this while Tim do this, I think Dick said "Tim was right, Bruce is not dead, he is lost in time" when they found Bruce in the old portrait... actually, I do believe Tim knew this before, I remember he noticing Bruce was not dead because a portrait, but he could not prove...
Sorry for so many mistakes ><

Yeah I think the Tim fan exaggerated the details and must have made some things up.
Tim didn't know Bruce was lost in time, Dick never said Tim was crazy and he never wanted or said he'd put Tim in arkham. those are all lies.

They found out Bruce wasn't dead when they found out his corpse was faked. they tried to bring Bruce back with the pits but it turned out to be a fake corpse.

[Rebeca Armus]

Yeah I think the Tim fan exaggerated the details and must have made some things up.
Tim didn't know Bruce was lost in time, Dick never said Tim was crazy and he never wanted or said he'd put Tim in arkham. those are all lies.

They found out Bruce wasn't dead when they found out his corpse was faked. they tried to bring Bruce back with the pits but it turned out to be a fake corpse.

I remember that part, so Tim was right just for lucky?

[Light of Justice]

I remember that part, so Tim was right just for lucky?

Well, I don't really know the detail myself so I just copy-paste Tim fans' answer about Tim's role in finding Bruce.


this panel (red robin issue 12 present-day) shows that Alfred and Dick already knew. (meaning they had already found evidence of Bruce's survival while Tim was in Europe.)


the second picture is from the return of Bruce Wayne (by Grant Morrison) where Morrison directly references the bat symbol Tim found in Europe.

all Issue 12 adds is Tim finding the picture of Mordecai Wayne right after he was fired from being robin. this is how Tim knew Bruce was stranded in time.

I think Tim indeed is the one who found the evidence that Bruce is still alive first, but it's not fair to belittle Dick for it, even creating false info that Dick wanted to throw Tim into Arkham. Dick is the eldest, and as the eldest, he has responsibilities to handle everything that Bruce left behind (including 10 years old murderous son) to move forward. He has no time to investigate thing that based on vague proof.

[Rebeca Armus]

Well, I don't really know the detail myself so I just copy-paste Tim fans' answer about Tim's role in finding Bruce.


this panel (red robin issue 12 present-day) shows that Alfred and Dick already knew. (meaning they had already found evidence of Bruce's survival while Tim was in Europe.)


the second picture is from the return of Bruce Wayne (by Grant Morrison) where Morrison directly references the bat symbol Tim found in Europe.

all Issue 12 adds is Tim finding the picture of Mordecai Wayne right after he was fired from being robin. this is how Tim knew Bruce was stranded in time.

I think Tim indeed is the one who found the evidence that Bruce is still alive first, but it's not fair to belittle Dick for it, even creating false info that Dick wanted to throw Tim into Arkham. Dick is the eldest, and as the eldest, he has responsibilities to handle everything that Bruce left behind (including 10 years old murderous son) to move forward. He has no time to investigate thing that based on vague proof.

Now I got it, I didn't read nothing of the Return of Bruce Wayne.
But I still felt like Dick was little "Whatever" with Tim, I know he already had too much for deal, but Tim was 17? And lost Friends, Bruce, Robin cowl...

[Light of Justice]

Now I got it, I didn't read nothing of the Return of Bruce Wayne.
But I still felt like Dick was little "Whatever" with Tim, I know he already had too much for deal, but Tim was 17? And lost Friends, Bruce, Robin cowl...

The problem is, Dick didn't ignore Tim at all. Yes, he didn't believe Tim's theory before he showed him undeniable proof. Who doesn't? Dick has so many matters to handle so something vague like that naturally will be his last priority. Yes, he gave Robin title to Damian, but he already gave Tim his reason. Tim is Bruce's Robin, and Dick saw him as equal. Robin is and should be a sidekick under Batman's tutelage. You can't tutor your equal.

But he still included Tim in every family event. He still helped Tim on Red Robin immediately after Tim asked him. Dick just trusts Tim more than Damian so he paid more attention to Damian, and that's the right choice. I mean, give him a break, he was just 23(?) himself. Bruce's responsibilities on JL? Dick handled it. Wayne corporation? Damian helped him but Dick was still the one that got called, like on Hush's problem. All Bruce's contact and allies? Dick handled it. Bruce's asset, even problems like literal airhead past "girlfriend"? Dick handled it.

This is why I don't like Dick as a surrogate father narrative. When fandom already resigned by the fact that Bruce is a bad parent, they always expect Dick to fix everything. Tim was lonely and depressed? **** his responsibilities, Dick should be on his side all the time and support him on everything! Jason went crazy and killed everyone? He can't send him to Arkham's therapists, Dick should be the one who heals him with the power of love and family! Damian's recent extreme method? Dick should take Damian as his sidekick and understand his actions!

Enough, Dick is not a free babysitter. Every time Robins have their own problems, Dick is not obliged to coddle them just because Bruce is failed as a parent.

[Drako]

Now I got it, I didn't read nothing of the Return of Bruce Wayne.
But I still felt like Dick was little "Whatever" with Tim, I know he already had too much for deal, but Tim was 17? And lost Friends, Bruce, Robin cowl...

He was not "whatever" with Tim. The first arc of Red Robin is Tim being all dark and pushing his friends away. Dick tried to help him, since Tim was going through a lot, but he declined and start to fight Grayson.



The next page after that Dick hold Tim's arm and Red Robin starting the fight.
Drake didn't want any help from his friends and went to the Al Ghuls to find his answers about Bruce.

[Zaresh]

@Rebeca Armus, my advise: go read the comics. All of us have our bias towards the characters. Some have some very strong opinions, even. And no one can read a page the very same way than another one can: we all get different things from the same panels and ballons. The best thing to do is read these books and come to your own conclusions and opinions. They're not hard to find, they have been collected and I think they may even have digital editions by now (not sure, pure guessing). Maybe Red Robin is harder to find, but Morrison's Batman time is easy to find in libraries of half this side of the world (the american and european side, I mean), in case you cannot purchase or ask someone to lend then to you.

(Also, Damian's thread may not be the best place to ask about Tim specifically, to be honest)

[Astralabius]

Bruce has a family picture to brood over for every occasion.

[Drako]

Robin #01 preview:

https://www.gamesradar.com/damian-wa...bin-1-preview/