Should the X-men, and mutantkind, keep trying to coexist with humans?

[People Of The Earth]

The main issue with the mutant-human relations is the oppression that is a part of the system they live in. The only way to end any sort of oppression is to destroy the current system. As it is, there are people who will defend the system, since they reap the benefits from it. Namely, people such as Trask Industries or Kilgore Arms. So conflict is inevitable since, even if you consider the existence of mutant supporters among humans, the ones who hold the system together have more power in general and will do everything they can to maintain things as they are. Coexistence between oppressors and oppressed can only happen through one side suppressing the other, unless you're counting on a miracle that would be a collective change of mind.

But sure, let the X-Men try. It isn't like 18 millions of them already got killed trying to achieve that. At least now they can come back.

How does allowing the sapien friends and families of the Kraked on the Mainland lead to any of the things you just said? How?

[The Quiet Councilor]

Guys, I just told my neighbors I was moving to another part of town, now they locked me inside my house and set it on fire, they say its my fault for thinking Im better then them. Please send help.

Nope. Better you burn while “coexisting” than seek refuge outside of their community.

[Maestroneto]

Whos more likely to argue she has dutch ancestry when someone points out she is white: Kate, Jean or Emma?

Jean, because Kate has German ancestry and Emma likely has Irish ancestry.

[PrezValentine]

How does allowing the sapien friends and families of the Kraked on the Mainland lead to any of the things you just said? How?

Where did I say any of that or made any link between the two things? I was expressing a thought I didn't post earlier about the main topic.

[The Quiet Councilor]

Jean, because Kate has German ancestry and Emma likely has Irish ancestry.

Emma’s too busy trying to be English to be Dutch. Kate would discuss her whiteness within the context of Judaism. I guess that leaves Jean.

[djoki96]

Jean, because Kate has German ancestry and Emma likely has Irish ancestry.

Emma having Scandinavian ancestry would be more of an obvious choice, unless there is something I don't know about her.

[Lapsus]

I think this was addressed somewhere. Basically what was said is humans will continue to outnumber mutants for quite sometime but in 20 years the mutants will have enough power to simply overpower what ever tech/weapons humanity could use against them. The specific phrase used was its the 10 wolves vs 100 sheep argument.

That makes more sense, even with comic book science is a very short time span, Genosha resurrection included.

[People Of The Earth]

Where did I say any of that or made any link between the two things? I was expressing a thought I didn't post earlier about the main topic.

You are saying coexistence isn't possible until the sapien leadership and the systems in place in other nations are overhauled/toppled/replaced top to bottom.
Okay, that's great but how does that translate to the individuals themselves? How does that translates to the sapiens supporters and/or sapiens families and/or sapiens friends or partners of the Kraked who would like to be able to see them or live with them on the Mainland? Like NOW, not decades in the future? How does doing away from all the things you said relate to their (in)ability to be on Krakoa?

[Maestroneto]

Emma having Scandinavian ancestry would be more of an obvious choice, unless there is something I don't know about her.

She's from Boston where most white people have Irish ancestry.

Countering her Irish ancestry is that her family is often listed as Episcopalian on various websites, though Frostian professor ButterRum says there's no source for this within the comics.

[The Quiet Councilor]

You are saying coexistence isn't possible until the sapien leadership and the systems in place in other nations are overhauled/toppled/replaced top to bottom.
Okay, that's great but how does that translate to the individuals themselves? How does that translates to the sapiens supporters and/or sapiens families and/or sapiens friends or partners of the Kraked who would like to be able to see them or live with them on the Mainland? Like NOW, not decades in the future? How does doing away from all the things you said relate to their (in)ability to be on that Krakoa?

The same way it translates for the rest of us. I’m a gay man from a small town in Louisiana who moved to NYC to escape a overtly hostile environment where I was institutionally and individually persecuted. I can call, FaceTime, and visit the people who matter to me that I left behind. My grandmother would’ve preferred I stay near family (something you seem to suggest is of the utmost importance), but I moved for my safety and my happiness. Her wanting to keep me near and me refusing doesn’t make me an evil separatist.

Moreover, the Krakoan Gates make travel nearly instantaneous for mutants. The barriers that await them on the other end preventing them from seeing their loved ones are on humans not mutants. This isn’t some great mystery.

[tuck frump]

I (27F) just got into a fight with my boyfriend's(27M) dad (65M).

We were in the middle of dinner at my new penthouse (5 floors!!!!) when in-law (we're not married yet but a girl can hope!!!) announces to bf he's decided to move in with us since we have so much space and he won't have to pay rent.

For context, this dude has never been present in bf's life, didn't even watched him grow up because he was busy being a sailor or something, has a very hairy and smelly girlfriend, only shows up at our doorstep to borrow money and I have never seen him sober.

I silently signify to my bf answer is a huge no, we can basically read each other's mind so I know he got it but he's very socially awkward and I can see he's struggling to get the point across. I try to jump in to his rescue but I haven't opened my mouth that his dad gets in my face, shouts that this is all my fault because I think I'm better than him (I'm european and they're americans) and that bf's ex-gf always let him sleep in their bedroom when he visited. Had to call the cops to escort him out but he came back later that night and crashed an ufo drone through our window which gave me ptsd war flashback to that one time I survived 9/11. Things calmed down now but I told bf it was either his dad or me.

tl:dr my bf's dad threw a tantrum because I didn't want him living in my house. I feel I'm in my right but don't want to hurt bf's feelings. At the same time I feel like a real man would have protected me during the situation. Am I too demanding?

[jwatson]

I (27F) just got into a fight with my boyfriend's(27M) dad (65M).

We were in the middle of dinner at my new penthouse (5 floors!!!!) when in-law (we're not married yet but a girl can hope!!!) announces to bf he's decided to move in with us since we have so much space and he won't have to pay rent.

For context, this dude has never been present in bf's life, didn't even watched him grow up because he was busy being a sailor or something, has a very hairy and smelly girlfriend, only shows up at our doorstep to borrow money and I have never seen him sober.

I silently signify to my bf answer is a huge no, we can basically read each other's mind so I know he got it but he's very socially awkward and I can see he's struggling to get the point across. I try to jump in to his rescue but I haven't opened my mouth that his dad gets in my face, shouts that this is all my fault because I think I'm better than him (I'm european and they're americans) and that bf's ex-gf always let him sleep in their bedroom when he visited. Had to call the cops to escort him out but he came back later that night and crashed an ufo drone through our window which gave me ptsd war flashback to that one time I survived 9/11. Things calmed down now but I told bf it was either his dad or me.

tl:dr my bf's dad threw a tantrum because I didn't want him living in my house. I feel I'm in my right but don't want to hurt bf's feelings. At the same time I feel like a real man would have protected me during the situation. Am I too demanding?

What you should be questioning is if they are real Americans rather than Russian spys. Because us Americans think we are better than everyone. hmmmm

[Wild Fang X]

I (27F) just got into a fight with my boyfriend's(27M) dad (65M).

We were in the middle of dinner at my new penthouse (5 floors!!!!) when in-law (we're not married yet but a girl can hope!!!) announces to bf he's decided to move in with us since we have so much space and he won't have to pay rent.

For context, this dude has never been present in bf's life, didn't even watched him grow up because he was busy being a sailor or something, has a very hairy and smelly girlfriend, only shows up at our doorstep to borrow money and I have never seen him sober.

I silently signify to my bf answer is a huge no, we can basically read each other's mind so I know he got it but he's very socially awkward and I can see he's struggling to get the point across. I try to jump in to his rescue but I haven't opened my mouth that his dad gets in my face, shouts that this is all my fault because I think I'm better than him (I'm european and they're americans) and that bf's ex-gf always let him sleep in their bedroom when he visited. Had to call the cops to escort him out but he came back later that night and crashed an ufo drone through our window which gave me ptsd war flashback to that one time I survived 9/11. Things calmed down now but I told bf it was either his dad or me.

tl:dr my bf's dad threw a tantrum because I didn't want him living in my house. I feel I'm in my right but don't want to hurt bf's feelings. At the same time I feel like a real man would have protected me during the situation. Am I too demanding?

Not at all. All you were doing was setting up boundaries that were comfortable and granted you and your BF safety. His father was way out of line and the ensuing tantrum proved as such. You have a right to want safety and boundaries to pursue your happiness and development of your way of living and BF's father did not respect that. Tying this back to mutant-human relations, mutantkind has the right to separate from humans and form their own nation-state while creating their own culture, history, economy, military, government, and everything else. As shown, nothing has come at the expense of humans, and Emma (and Xavier to a lesser degree, hey, Emma does all the heavy lifting.) has cultivated trading/economical relationships with willing nations. At this point, the bemoaning for co-existence on humanity's terms are irrelevant and unnecessary.

IMO: BF should've stood up for you and kicked his old man out of the house for that outburst. BF's father had no right to disrespect you in your house, nor should that be tolerated.

[People Of The Earth]

The same way it translates for the rest of us. I’m a gay man from a small town in Louisiana who moved to NYC to escape a overtly hostile environment where I was institutionally and individually persecuted. I can call, FaceTime, and visit the people who matter to me that I left behind. My grandmother would’ve preferred I stay near family (something you seem to suggest is of the utmost importance), but I moved for my safety and my happiness. Her wanting to keep me near and me refusing doesn’t make me an evil separatist.

Moreover, the Krakoan Gates make travel nearly instantaneous for mutants. The barriers that await them on the other end preventing them from seeing their loved ones are on humans not mutants. This isn’t some great mystery.

First and foremost: I'm sorry you had to went through such ordeals, it's horrible...
I can't imagine how hard this has been for you, and I hope you are now in a better place, on every level possible!
I have to point out though, your grandmother and your family and the people who matter to you: they can travel to NYC and visit you there - even stay in the city if they want, am I correct?
NYC hasn't forbidden them to enter their territory, right?
So your analogy doesn't work because, unless I'm mistaken and it has changed since, NYC doesn't forbid some people on its territory based off their origins.
Which is what I and others are wondering about Krakoa. Whether or not sapiens can be on that island.

I'm also gonna say this one more time, and I hope, one last time - and don't take this personally, other people are doing the same thing than you just did:
NO ONE IS QUESTIONING THE EXISTENCE OF KRAKOA.
PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING ITS POLICY TOWARD SAPIENS.

Those are two different things.

Questioning the policy of a nation doesn't equal questioning the existence of said nation. I wish people would acknowledge that FACT before answering here.

Having said that, we'll see if Shogo is an exception to the rule, or the standard for the treatment of sapiens by the Kraked on their mainland.

[PrezValentine]

You are saying coexistence isn't possible until the sapien leadership and the systems in place in other nations are overhauled/toppled/replaced top to bottom.
Okay, that's great but how does that translate to the individuals themselves? How does that translates to the sapiens supporters and/or sapiens families and/or sapiens friends or partners of the Kraked who would like to be able to see them or live with them on the Mainland? Like NOW, not decades in the future? How does doing away from all the things you said relate to their (in)ability to be on Krakoa?

They can visit or live in the mainland, as long as they don't pose a threat to people who aren't related to them. Or whatever is decided by the Council. They could very well be given a flower to plant a gateway in their houses, if they can't live in the mainland for the foreseeable future. It's a situation where they can analyze case by case, since allowing humans in general to live in the island just because they're related on first degree to a mutant is, at best, naive, and at worst, an unnecessary risk. It's honestly irrelevant to me and the point I was making on the overall theme of coexistence, so I don't know what you want from insisting in this specific subject.