All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Tami]

Visual: Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony from the Jan. 6 hearing

If you can, check this out.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Manhunt on for Sniper Who Attacked July 4 Parade in Highland Park, Killing 6





Urgent >> Highland Park Shooting Person of Interest: Robert (Bobby) E. Crimo III. Source: Highland Park Police Department

I was wondering how long it would be before another mass shooter imitated the Vegas shooter, and attacked from an elevated position.

[babyblob]

And The GOP is fine with these mass shootings and making this the America we have to live in.

Two hours after the shooting Illinois state senator Darren Bailey said this at an event

“They’ve done an amazing job. There’s a lot of confusion and frustration that the parade’s being cancelled but they did the right thing because people’s safety has got to come first,” he said.

“The shooter is still at large so let's pray for justice to prevail and then let’s move on and let’s celebrate the independence of this nation.”

Let's Move on and Celebrate. Two hours after 6 people will killed Celebrating! What and Ass wipe.

[Malvolio]

The implication of the comparison is that either the white guy should be shot, or that all cops are the same, which complicates prosecutions. It's one problem with the comparison of two sets of cops. It suggests that the other cops should also live down to expectations of their detractors.

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We're not saying that the white guy SHOULD have been shot. We're saying the Black guy SHOULDN'T have been shot. How hard is that to understand?

[kidfresh512]

We're not saying that the white guy SHOULD have been shot. We're saying the Black guy SHOULDN'T have been shot. How hard is that to understand?

Some people prefer to be deliberately obtuse.



A source close to the investigation tells CBS 2's Sabrina Franza the suspect is in custody after this morning's deadly mass shooting in Highland Park. https://cbsn.ws/3bPDOXS

If true sounds like he ran from the police and didnt catch 60 bullets.

[numberthirty]

Some people prefer to be deliberately obtuse.



A source close to the investigation tells CBS 2's Sabrina Franza the suspect is in custody after this morning's deadly mass shooting in Highland Park. https://cbsn.ws/3bPDOXS

If true sounds like he ran from the police and didnt catch 60 bullets.

Live in Illinois/The ABC affiliate just ran cell video of the arrest.

It was at an intersection with other cars sitting there, and everyone had a gun out when they pulled him out of the car.

While it seems like they were taking extra care because there were normal folks sitting there at the intersection?

I have no doubt that they would have shot this guy if he did anything except getting out of the car and kneeling to be cuffed.

[worstblogever]

And The GOP is fine with these mass shootings and making this the America we have to live in.

Two hours after the shooting Illinois state senator Darren Bailey said this at an event

“They’ve done an amazing job. There’s a lot of confusion and frustration that the parade’s being cancelled but they did the right thing because people’s safety has got to come first,” he said.

“The shooter is still at large so let's pray for justice to prevail and then let’s move on and let’s celebrate the independence of this nation.”

Let's Move on and Celebrate. Two hours after 6 people will killed Celebrating! What and Ass wipe.

I guess the right now considers pretending to pause and feign empathy with thoughts and prayers a sign of weakness, so they're just skipping it.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Some people prefer to be deliberately obtuse.



A source close to the investigation tells CBS 2's Sabrina Franza the suspect is in custody after this morning's deadly mass shooting in Highland Park. https://cbsn.ws/3bPDOXS

If true sounds like he ran from the police and didnt catch 60 bullets.

Well, of course that shitstain was taken alive….he was white. And, predictably, he was a Trumper. Look for Qpublicans to issue the usual “thoughts and prayers” nonsense, followed by bleating about mental health issues, NOT the fact he was able to get his hands on a weapon used for the express purpose of killing scores of human beings.

[numberthirty]

Live in Illinois/The ABC affiliate just ran cell video of the arrest.

It was at an intersection with other cars sitting there, and everyone had a gun out when they pulled him out of the car.

While it seems like they were taking extra care because there were normal folks sitting there at the intersection?

I have no doubt that they would have shot this guy if he did anything except getting out of the car and kneeling to be cuffed.

Edit: The guy who shot the video is a pizza delivery guy. Said he counted at least twenty rifles when the cops took him in.

[babyblob]

I guess the right now considers pretending to pause and feign empathy with thoughts and prayers a sign of weakness, so they're just skipping it.

Now come on. The QOP is very sensitive to the victims of Gun Violence. Remember when a lot of them canceled their speeches at the NRA convention right after 19 kids were murdered in school?

[useridgoeshere]

I guess the right now considers pretending to pause and feign empathy with thoughts and prayers a sign of weakness, so they're just skipping it.

Bailey probably thought Highland Park was Chicago. This is a down state guy who sponsored a resolution to make Chicago its own state.

[skyvolt2000]

The implication of the comparison is that either the white guy should be shot, or that all cops are the same, which complicates prosecutions. It's one problem with the comparison of two sets of cops. It suggests that the other cops should also live down to expectations of their detractors.

Lets put this a way for everyone to understand.

One was wanted for a traffic violation.

One was wanted for MURDER of cops. He willingly took the lives of 3 police officers.

If the cops went remake of Predator scene with him-folks would be understanding based on what he did.

However they would STILL expect policy to be followed and those cops be placed on leave as the investigation goes on. Along with any punishment the department sees fit from the investigation. Like it is being done with the first one.

The issue MANY are having is how are these killers going to jail.
Yes some do surrender.
Yes some verbally abuse the cop.
Yes some tease the cop.
Yes some put HANDS on a cop.
Yet most STILL manage to reach the jail house.

Meanwhile with SOME black males.

Yes some ran.
Yes some put up a fight.
Yes some were surrendering.
Yes some were talking and cooperating with cops
Yes some were with their hands up in the air. No I am NOT talking Mike Brown.
Yes some were following the cops instructions-Philando Castile.
Yes some got executed on the spot-Tamir Rice.
Yet they all saw bullets shot at them.

We want to know why are SOME cops so QUICK to pull that trigger for a black guy yet not for white guys-especially cop killers.

If it's a FEAR of black males-we need to know WHAT is the source of it.

Is it Fox News?
Is it WHITE OWNED record labels that prop up toxic black males who do NOTHING but preach violence?
Is it WHITE OWNED studios writing checks to black (and white) creators to make shows that showcase blacks as toxic?
Is it the high number of black males killing black males?
Is it the JUSTICE SYSTEM that throws the USS Enterprise at a black male who KILLS a non-black person but slaps their wrist when they kill each other?
Is it BLM that wants black to do whatever to ZERO consequences?

Or it a combination of things? Things that could be address and dealt with if certain political parties and private citizens put aside agendas and address?

So we are NOT wasting tax payer dollars in investigations, court dates and payoffs to families. When COMMON sense could have prevent a lot of things.

[Kirby101]

Why do some act as if these are two isolated cases? That they don't illustrate a pattern? Is it willfully ignoring the obvious?

[AnakinFlair]

One odd thing I've seen from this shooting today is a video of the parade right as the gunfire started. It's a band on the back of a flatbed truck playing a jaunty tune, then suddenly the truck stops. A moment later, you see people running past the truck away from the gunfire as the band, who obviously doesn't know what's going on, continues to play. It really feels like the band playing on the deck of the Titanic at this point.

[Tami]

I've been thinking about the issue of excessive force by police and have a thought on a logical method of determining if a Police Officer is guilty or innocent.

First off, you can't, or you shouldn't argue a case of excessive force based on the idea of a Police Officer's feelings, their feeling threatened. That isn't a sound legal argument. You can't prove or disprove 'feelings'. You can't make a legal argument as to the cause of those feelings, I mean you can try but most times it doesn't work, or it just works in the Officer's favor.

So, here is my approach, one that I think may already be used in some successful prosecutions.

Could the Subject have been brought into custody alive? Regardless of whether the Officer intended to bring the subject in or not, could they have?

If the answer is yes, but the subject was killed instead, then the Officer is guilty of Excessive Force.

If the answer is no, and the Defense could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, then the use of force might not have been excessive.