X-men #19 Review/Spoiler - In the Fire of Each Other

[Nazrel]

May not be that image in particular but she is not a gentic twin, it was stated specifically the egg was used from Sarah and the dna from wolverine. There was a whole story about it where she found her. It was either All new Wolverine or something else. There was also the hunt for wolverine which said she was not just a clone.

Do you mean All new Wolverine issues 25 and 26? No, it didn't say that at all. As for the second part, again, see above.

Frankly, it doesn't really matter which other books said what about where whose material came from. The fact is the word of her own creators, presented ON PANEL in her origin book, (so this isn't head-canon or something off Twitter) state outright that she's not a clone.

Yes, they called her a genetic twin, which is they described as basically a clone But.

[Havok83]

You mean creators that don't own her and have no stake or ownership in a work for hire? That is head canon. Cockrhum saw storm as the most powerful woman in comics, guess what? we still waiting. lol

and that origin has never been retconned away. Her not being a clone was reinforced in the AA mini. People in universe call her a clone bc they dont know the details of how everything went down and quite frankly there arent many around that actually would. Ignorance doesnt make something fact

Ultiumately none of this even matters. The only reason this was brought up was bc she was resurrected. She wasnt a clone but even if she was, that status wouldnt have prevented her from being brought back

[Ambaryerno]

You mean creators that don't own her and have no stake or ownership in a work for hire? That is head canon. Cockrhum saw storm as the most powerful woman in comics, guess what? we still waiting. lol

Something that's explicitly stated ON-PANEL can never be head-canon. The book is LITERALLY stating a fact.

[jwatson]

Do you mean All new Wolverine issues 25 and 26? No, it didn't say that at all. As for the second part, again, see above.



Yes, they called her a genetic twin, which is they described as basically a clone But.

One i specifically remember is all new wolverine #13 where she is telling Gabby about the scent and how she was staying with her aunt and her cousin but in the same run it also goes into it more. I don't know how she is suppose to be a twin when the egg of another human was used but people can believe what they want. the only way she could be a "twin" of wolverine is if she has his exact dna which has been said many times she does not.

Also when do things not become canon, isn't taylor also the one who got rid of the scent trigger. So do people assume she still is triggered by the scent since other stuff doesn't fit their canon.

Ahh yes issue 13 says she was born in a lab. on panel, not created. Then issue 17 has jean who is helping laura tell her she was born not created which was later followed up and confirmed but i can't remember the issue. So a whole run where it was mentioned on panel several times.

[Nazrel]

One i specifically remember is all new wolverine #13 where she is telling Gabby about the scent and how she was staying with her aunt and her cousin but in the same run it also goes into it more. I don't know how she is suppose to be a twin when the egg of another human was used but people can believe what they want. the only way she could be a "twin" of wolverine is if she has his exact dna which has been said many times she does not.

Also when do things not become canon, isn't taylor also the one who got rid of the scent trigger. So do people assume she still is triggered by the scent since other stuff doesn't fit their canon.

Ahh yes issue 13 says she was born in a lab. on panel, not created. Then issue 17 has jean who is helping laura tell her she was born not created which was later followed up and confirmed but i can't remember the issue. So a whole run where it was mentioned on panel several times.

Again nothing in issue thirteen about her not being a clone (or genetic twin in this case).
Her aunt and cousin are, her aunt and cousin, through her mother, who was considered her mother because she, created her, served as surrogate to bear her, and was basically her paternal presence. The fact someone is born does not make them not a clone, surrogates are how you get real world clones.

He did not retcon anything in that, you just lack the context to understand it.

They called her a Genetic Twin, because they duplicated the existing X chromosome to replace the damaged Y chromosome, this minor change is what had her technically recategorized as such within the fiction; if you have an issue with this categorization take it up with Kyle and Yost.

For something to be considered canon, especially something that is competently at odds with established narrative in such a way as to be antithetical to the entire rational of the character even coming into being; it would have to be explained, grounded and reinforced within a primary text, and not have it completely ignored, while having a primary text where she is waxing physiologically about how she is totally a clone.

The only thing supporting the notion that she might have Sarah's DNA in her is again the Adamantium Agenda in a non-sequitur moment, in which Iron Man says he saw something for a fraction of a second; in this forgettable mini that she wasn't even advertised as being in, that was not explained in, nor in anyway followed up on, and has basically been ignored.

Schrodinger's plot point until otherwise, cause they still keep calling her a clone.

[jwatson]

Again nothing in issue thirteen about her not being a clone (or genetic twin in this case).
Her aunt and cousin are, her aunt and cousin, through her mother, who was considered her mother because she, created her, served as surrogate to bear her, and was basically her paternal presence. The fact someone is born does not make them not a clone, surrogates are how you get real world clones.

He did not retcon anything in that, you just lack the context to understand it.

They called her a Genetic Twin, because they duplicated the existing X chromosome to replace the damaged Y chromosome, this minor change is what had her technically recategorized as such within the fiction; if you have an issue with this categorization take it up with Kyle and Yost.

For something to be considered canon, especially something that is competently at odds with established narrative in such a way as to be antithetical to the entire rational of the character even coming into being; it would have to be explained, grounded and reinforced within a primary text, and not have it completely ignored, while having a primary text where she is waxing physiologically about how she is totally a clone.

The only thing supporting the notion that she might have Sarah's DNA in her is again the Adamantium Agenda in a non-sequitur moment, in which Iron Man says he saw something for a fraction of a second; in this forgettable mini that she wasn't even advertised as being in, that was not explained in, nor in anyway followed up on, and has basically been ignored.

Schrodinger's plot point until otherwise, cause they still keep calling her a clone.

Cool. Definitely can agree to disagree. Either way Laura is still a great characer.

[yogaflame]

I didn't know of this stotyline, but de-aging him, is contrived for the very reason I gave, they were compelled to tell more 'intriguing' stories about him, otherwise he doesn't sell the tale as an 80 year old.If he still has his memories( which is likely because it forms his animus towards humanity) it is still weird.

First of all, Magneto didn't even have the Holocaust backstory until well after Claremont re-aged him and created that backstory. Original Magneto had no backstory, he just wanted to take over the world. Secondly, even if Magneto had been created with that origin in mind, 1963 isn't even 20 years after WW2, so if he had been 10 at the start[of the War], he only would have been 35 or so in X-Men #1. Given Hickman's own timetable, it's barely been more than 10 years since '1963' for these characters, so he'd barely be 45 by now even without the deaging storyline. It's kind of hard to consider your opinion on the matter as having any merit when you seem ignorant of these stories to begin with.

[Hulkout42]

It's viable in that he knows their limit. unless of course they are able to somehow get aq 5th generation. They also know there intent now which is probably the most important thing to know at this point.

Hmm, no see here's the thing, time moves faster in the Vault so by the time mutants are ready they don't really know how much time has passed in the vault nor what advancements have taken place in preparation for them. Also they may harvest from the Laura who was trapped there or who know what else they may got out of Darwin so either way the current intel is invalidated.

[Hulkout42]

I am surprised they resurrected X23 at all given that she is a clone.

Aren't they all? That is basically what the resurrection is, them transferring their minds into cloned bodies.

[BishopsJuice91]

8 out a 10 for me not perfect but good. Synch is special now so the Laura pairing has to stick or what was the reason?

[BishopsJuice91]

Even if Laura was a clone they were sent on a suicide mission in the name of Krakoa so pretty sure the rule would be overlooked here. And they might’ve even upgraded her DNA sequence in the process to make her no longer his clone and her own person when she was brought back maybe...

[jwatson]

Hmm, no see here's the thing, time moves faster in the Vault so by the time mutants are ready they don't really know how much time has passed in the vault nor what advancements have taken place in preparation for them. Also they may harvest from the Laura who was trapped there or who know what else they may got out of Darwin so either way the current intel is invalidated.

But mutants were in that place before except they didn't know what the intent of the children of the vault were. While they did gain information in capturing laura and darwin it was stated as an empirical fact that if they did not obtain darwin they would not have been able to evolve beyond stage 3 making them obsolete. Lukcily Darwin is not an omega mutant. So imaqine if there is a mutant with even greater adaptive abilties sent in, lifeguard comes to mind, and they are able to evolve even further. So even in that respect they still learned something. Do not send in adaptive mutants under any circumstances, especially ones that exceed darwin ability to adapt.

[gonnagiveittoya]

The clone thing is basically saying "not Madelyn" since I'm pretty sure Logan would literally fight everyone on the island who said they couldnt bring Laura or Gabby back

[dkrook]

It was all a lie. I really think is creepy how tey kept it as motivation for Cargill

Well, they say even a broke clock can be right twice a day! At least this point makes sense!

[Shortpack!]

Didn't X-23's clone status get retconned during the Hunt for Wolverine storyline? Pretty sure it's only Gaby that's the clone, now.