The Axis #7 Reveal *spoilers/poll*

[TresDias]

Agreed. They could still be Inhumans via Magda and less would be negatively affected. Still odd, mind you; still a disconnect from some important stories for them; but not as damaging.

[Kurolegacy]

Agreed. They could still be Inhumans via Magda and less would be negatively affected. Still odd, mind you; still a disconnect from some important stories for them; but not as damaging.

It would've been less negative if they retained being Magneto's children and found they were of Inhuman decent from Magda.

[Mark]

Retroactive continuity, or retcon for short, is the alteration of previously established facts in the continuity of a fictional work.

Originally, The Whizzer got has powers from mongoose blood. Now it's said that the mongoose blood jump started his latent mutant powers. That is the exact definition of a retcon.

I disagree, a retcon would be that the Whizzer got his powers from an entirely different source entirely, this simply says that he was a mutant waiting to happen, something that couldn't have been known with the science of that era. An old time mariner using a piece of natural loadstone would say it was magic, a modern mariner would know that it was magnetism, that's not a retcon, it's a deeper understanding of what is going on. If they said the Whizzer got his powers not from a mongoose but from a god masquerading as a mongoose, that would be a retcon.
In many way's it's a matter of personal opinion.

[vitruvian]

Miss America was a mutant too. I remember the Handbooks giving the same explanation of her powers like her Husband's, "the lightning that struck her triggered a latent mutant ability".

Hardly matters. It's not like most mutants have mutant rather than baseline parents anyway. Their real dad could be Jonathan Drew or Wyndham before he started 'evolving' himself, and it in no way would prevent them from being either real, regular mutants with the X-gene, experiments by one or the other or both, or partially possessed by Chthon from birth.

[vitruvian]

I don't consider the origins of Miss America or the Whizzer to be retcons as much as they are clarifications. Back when those characters were written origin stories were written differently and very few people back then knew what the word 'mutant' meant.

Not true. Readers of fantastic fiction (in all formats, comics or prose) generally were aware of the concept of mutation (there's a lot of classic science fiction from before the Whizzer on the theme, including novels about superpowered, albeit all possessing the same sorts of powers, mutants being destined to take over from Homo sapiens), and even those who were not were perfectly capable of distinguishing between the ideas of 'being born with your powers' and 'gaining your powers from some bizarre accident'.

[vitruvian]

Except such workarounds are common, and even if they weren't, all it takes is Marvel establishing a rule that the Marvel universe simply progresses much faster than our reality, such that 70 years our time is hardly any time at all in the Marvel universe..

In the case of characters like Cap and Fury and Magneto (and his kids), that's made difficult in that they keep WWII attached to its real world dates in the late 30s and 1940s, so you can't shorten the span of time since then to any fewer years. Nor can you say that people in the MU just don't age like we do, since the stories are also rife with references to character's ages (more often roughly in terms of decades, as opposed to specific numbers) along with strong implication that being in your twenties, or in your seventies, is much like it is for us in the real world barring longevity formulas and the like.

It's not like anyone's beating down Marvel's door demanding that this wild, crazy fictional universe full of alternate dimensions and reality-changing powers and time travel and what have you stick exclusively to the way the real world works.

There is absolutely no legitimate reason for the twins getting retconned into not being Magneto's kids anymore. None. Zero. End of story.

In this respect, the passage of years meaning roughly the same thing in the MU as in the real world is something that has been heavily established within the combined stories over five decades of publishing... their solution to not aging the characters therefore being the sliding timeline, where the modern heroes started up no more than a decade and a half ago or so at any time, rather than saying that they've been adventuring for all those decades but simply aren't noticeably older. The exceptions are those explicitly tied to real world dates for things like WWII.

But no, they're not going to start saying that the WWII that Cap and Fury Sr. served in was in the 1970s or 1980s, or that people in the MU live to 200 and don't start looking old till well into their second century. Just not going to happen, and I suspect it would lose them readers if they did go that way.

[salarta]

In the case of characters like Cap and Fury and Magneto (and his kids), that's made difficult in that they keep WWII attached to its real world dates in the late 30s and 1940s, so you can't shorten the span of time since then to any fewer years. Nor can you say that people in the MU just don't age like we do, since the stories are also rife with references to character's ages (more often roughly in terms of decades, as opposed to specific numbers) along with strong implication that being in your twenties, or in your seventies, is much like it is for us in the real world barring longevity formulas and the like.

In this respect, the passage of years meaning roughly the same thing in the MU as in the real world is something that has been heavily established within the combined stories over five decades of publishing... their solution to not aging the characters therefore being the sliding timeline, where the modern heroes started up no more than a decade and a half ago or so at any time, rather than saying that they've been adventuring for all those decades but simply aren't noticeably older. The exceptions are those explicitly tied to real world dates for things like WWII.

But no, they're not going to start saying that the WWII that Cap and Fury Sr. served in was in the 1970s or 1980s, or that people in the MU live to 200 and don't start looking old till well into their second century. Just not going to happen, and I suspect it would lose them readers if they did go that way.

The point is not to say that World War II happened in the 1970s or 1980s, but to say that our 2010 may be their 1970. A decade's worth of our time might be condensed into a year or two. This is simply pointing out the base theory, not going to great lengths to construct precisely how it would work. We're talking about a fictional world that has teleporters and space ships able to reach other galaxies, ergo our speed of scientific advancement doesn't apply to the Marvel universe. Likewise, cultural change has come more rapidly in the past couple decades in our world than in prior decades, which means Marvel can equally have a very quick pace of cultural change.

There are no real limitations here. Sure, certain comics may have explicitly said "this happened in 1995" or "this happened in 2000," but frankly, I think either ignoring that or adjusting it to make all this work makes a heck of a lot more sense than retconning a daughter and son away from their father under the flimsy excuse that their father is too connected to a certain decade when we know the real reason it happened.

[ExodusCloak]

Their daddy is Jason Wyngarde. He's everyones daddy.

[jmc247]

Lets remember the solit for Uncanny Avengers 2

• Welcome to Counter-Earth, where the future of your species is being developed by crack evolutionists. A better future awaits and is only one evolutionary updated away.

• The New Men rise for what is theirs. They seek the chaos and the speed to create the true Earth, the true evolution.

• Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver discover a terrible truth about their past.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Uncanny_Avengers_Vol_2_2

Alot is open at the moment and its likely somehow related to the High Evolutionary.

[Teste]

I really hope Inhuman, both the comic and the movie, fails spetacularly. Maybe then Marvel would think twice before butchering their comics for the sake of the movies.

[Dayle88]

I really hope Inhuman, both the comic and the movie, fails spetacularly. Maybe then Marvel would think twice before butchering their comics for the sake of the movies.

Amen. I'm not even a fan of these two but they used to blabber on about how the world is finally seeing what we already knew and now they're telling us films are far superior to comics and they're willing to change everything and anything to match the films and then not sell a few extra copies of a book.

[AdamFTF]

Well, if they're not mutants, then it makes the lineup of the original Brotherhood of Evil Mutants seem a bit awkward. Brotherhood of three evil mutants and two something else.

[ImprobableQuestion]

I really hope Inhuman, both the comic and the movie, fails spetacularly. Maybe then Marvel would think twice before butchering their comics for the sake of the movies.

Why would a poor-selling Inhumans movie make them think about a change they made to an X-Men/Avengers character nearly a decade ago?

Also, real classy hoping a project fails because you don't like the concept.

[Iron Maiden]

I really hope Inhuman, both the comic and the movie, fails spetacularly. Maybe then Marvel would think twice before butchering their comics for the sake of the movies.

It's pretty unlikely since even previously shelved characters like Guardians of the Galaxy made for the biggest hit of the year. The only think that may happen is audiences just burn out on superhero movies.

[Iron Maiden]

Lets remember the solit for Uncanny Avengers 2



Alot is open at the moment and its likely somehow related to the High Evolutionary.

This is the part that is confusing though

Welcome to Counter-Earth, where the future of your species is being developed by crack evolutionists. A better future awaits and is only one evolutionary updated away.

...since the High Evolutionary's Counter-Earth was destroyed during Infinity Gauntlet by Thanos. Unless the H.E took over Franklins HR planet, which is still out there in an orbit opposite to MU Earth.