Well, he's known Bruce a lot longer...actually, I prefer neither, and for him to go back to actual civilian supporting casts to do that. I really don't like spinoff characters kept as "helpers" for the main ones, as I feel it keeps them subordinate. I mean, if Superman was an actual assistant/helper (not taking over) for John Henry, then maybe. Solo hero teamups are nice occasionally, but they should act as equals. I'm, perhaps, not as big on the "families" as some. Some of these characters have relationships that would make them spend time together, but others just have the same IP source and don't have as reason to.There are certainly some sweeping changes and shifts in tone, but until I see superheroes get their civilian IDs and supporting casts back as well as a shift away from constantly crossing over with other IP instead of telling stories with the characters organic to that universe (so no more having Clark call Bruce as his resident smart friend when John Henry Irons is also on speed dial) then the real DCU isn't back. The destruction and further homogenizing of each specific slice of the DCU has made the entire thing far more shallow as a result.
Interesting, I wonder how that was supposed to work? We already had other writers working on Batman and Robin title when Morrison was doing Batman Inc before Flashpoint. And Damian was dying in second half of Inc either way so there isn't lots of space available.
That's my point. The team books were stronger back when Didio was just EiC and then it got weaker post Nu 52 and by the time he left, they were just floating pieces of wreckage. Still, one of the few gems that came out was the Mr Terrific team book.
Didio was just EIC during the IC era. Johns and Morrison were his henchmen but the latter two seem to think everything has a place in the universe, both post COIE and pre COIE whilst Didio just seems to believe that all of it was dead weight. I think even when he was EIC they were still people doing their own thing which didn't fit with his DCU ideas. Then Levitz left, Didio got promoted publisher and he was able to make broader, more sweeping changes to the DCU which got us to where we are now.
Not me. I knew it was a bad idea back then. Called it a bad idea and the evidence speaks for itself. The lead they got over Marvel was temporary, thing were going to crash hard.
I agree that with Marvel at least, Queseda left (or rather was promoted upstairs) and so he wasn't able to damage characters like he and Bendis did with Wanda through HoM and Spider-Man through OMD/BND. What Didio and his ilk continued to do over at DC though especially with Wally, made stuff like OMD over at Marvel look like a minor event book.
Yeah basically he wanted to keep Bruce International and Dick & Damian be in Gotham, that's why with the New 52 Bruce abruptly comes back to Gotham for no real reason.
Yeah Tomasi did (if I am remembering correctly) the last 4 issues of the original run before taking over the New 52 Batman & Robin, Snyder on Tec and Daniels on Batman (I think).
Nevertheless, if New 52 didn't happen I can imagine there being Batman & Robin and Batman Inc by Morrison, with Tec & Batman written by someone else.
Also don't get me started on the Fact that Steph couldn't be used anymore so her storyline was completely excised from volume 2 of Batman Inc
We had 4 creative teams and 10 issues after Morrison left and before Flashpoint happened. Last Batman and Robin issue was by Hine I think.
I understand that, but I wonder how that is supposed to work when Heretic kills Damian in sixth or seventh issue? There isn't much time for Morrison to return to Batman and Robin to do another Dick/Damian story before Damian dies unless it was supposed to be very short story.Nevertheless, if New 52 didn't happen I can imagine there being Batman & Robin and Batman Inc by Morrison, with Tec & Batman written by someone else.
Good point, forgot about her. We probably would have seen a bit more Spyral stuff in second part of Batman Inc if Steph wasn't dropped.Also don't get me started on the Fact that Steph couldn't be used anymore so her storyline was completely excised from volume 2 of Batman Inc
Never been a big fan of Jon S. Kent.
And Young Clark was my fave. So... I'm not really digging what's going on the last couple years, really?
I will say, even though I didn't love Jon as Superboy, I thought Clark was better written during that period than he had been pre-Flashpoint, and it was really a good direction to keep on in. Bendis on the other hand, had a voice I really didn't care for for Clark. Don't know about Johnson.
Hey quick question: in timelines where Clark's parents are named Eben and Sarah, would Jon Kent II be named Eben as well? I get a kick outta that possibility!
"You know the deal, Metropolis. Treat people right or expect a visit from me."
They were creations of Dr. Hurt to replace Batman. Morrison's run on the Batman ongoing is pretty much self-contained (since he originally had plans to stick around only until Batman RIP). Hurt's origins are even more interesting since there was an interview by Morrison in Wizard around the time of RIP/Final Crisis where he basically said Hurt was the Devil from his Gothic story that was printed in Legends of the Dark Knight. So the stuff about the Hyper-Adaptor only came much later when he decided to stay on for Batman&Robin and Batman Inc.
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Wait, but if Dr. Hurt is the Devil, and he's responsible for both the evil replacement Batmen and for Damian's immortality... then uh, what does that imply? Are there two separate Devils here, or has Dr. Hurt played himself?
"You know the deal, Metropolis. Treat people right or expect a visit from me."
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