It seems like it in a lot of ways. Marvel seems to be aiming their heroes more and more in the public identity direction.
It seems like it in a lot of ways. Marvel seems to be aiming their heroes more and more in the public identity direction.
Mostly yes, with a few exceptions.
And even with heroes that still have one it is played for laughs more often than not.
It's not overall, but it's definitely dead or dying at Marvel. DC has enough main eventers where the secret identity is integral to the character. Marvel's had large chunks of its main characters where secret identities were either never important or quickly tossed aside in favor of being public (Fantastic Four, X-Men, Incredible Hulk)
In terms of prominent characters with secret IDs Marvel has Spidey/Daredevil (though his gets exposed like every couple years or so), and...um...Ms. Marvel? It's a definite dying breed.
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I think part of the problem is wanting your hero to be practically flawless. Like, it used to be that Clark Kent was supposed to seem too wimpy to possibly be Superman, Bruce Wayne too shallow and immature to possibly be the Batman, but over time it gets to where even the alter-ego of your superhuman hero can't be seen to have too many very human flaws ... even if the flaws are clearly just part of a disguise, as in the above cases. But, it's why Peter Parker can't stay a loser who struggles to pay his bills and gets pushed around by bullies. It's not enough to have super powers and to be a hero -- no, you have to actually be cool, too!
I'm not a fan of the trend personally, because I think the idea that anyone could be behind the mask of the hero was pretty appealing to me, when I was a pretty geeky and awkward kid, myself. I also really liked how it emphasized how you didn't necessarily get to be both the hero and the cool kid. That, to some degree, being a hero would probably be a kind of thankless job.
I think some of this is still baked into the core concept of the superhero, but we're also competing with the cult of celebrity ... you know, if Tony Stark can be a superhero and rich and famous, why would any hero put up with being some penniless nobody?
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The concept is still there, but hasn't been actively used much in recent years. Long gone is the classic trope of the superhero first appearing in the story in his/her civilian identity, only to need to find a place to duck away and change into his/her superhero alter-ego when the action starts to go down. It's a shame in some ways: seeing the "ordinary" guy or gal transform into the hero (and then back again when the danger is resolved) was a huge part of the appeal of superheroes in earlier years.
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I think the main reason for the concept going out of style is that as technology marches on, it has become ever less probable that somebody without Bruce Wayne resources would be able to have a secret identity.
If Superman rushes into a phone booth to change into his supersuit (let's say it's the 90's and they still exist), he gets caught on an anti-vandalism camera.
Another thing that has made them go out of style is that people got wise to the fact that constantly lying to all your friends, family, spouse in some cases... makes you kind of an asshole.
The only practical reason for maintaining a secret identity is so you can mingle with ordinary people out in public without getting mobbed for autographs. Or in the case of a vigilante to not be arrested on sight.
But for friends and family it makes no sense to keep it from them. I like how the CW handles it. Friends know Oliver is Green Arrow, Barry is Flash, Kara is Supergirl, but the general public doesn't know.
Exactly, for certain types of characters, the secret ID still works, but for others it really doesn't make sense. Moon Knight probably needs a secret ID but not the Scarlet Witch.
What you say is true. However, I think the trend of narcissist-worship has a lot to do with it. Fewer people want to project themselves on anyone but a 💯 cool character. Admiring a part-time dork reflects badly on themselves.
It also maybe a function of the average age of comicbook readers. The secret identity had power when comics were for children because the idea of being all-powerful without giving up themselves was appealing. Don Markham speculated that was what lay at the heart of (the original) Captain Marvel's appeal.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that stories are moving away from the soap opera aspects where secret identities shine and more and more into the Big Screen Black Buster stuff where everything has to be a HUGE event. There's not as much room for the heroes outside of their masks in that type of story telling.
All I know is if I were a superhero, I would unquestionably go the secret identity route.
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It might be, but it shouldn't be. When it goes, then supporting casts tend to go too, and the stories become poorer as a result. Everyone in a comic doesn't need to be a super-hero.