It's not confirmed, but the most logical answer is Mephisto, especially with this story being related to OMD.Like how has Harry been able to do all of this!?
That's exactly what the sequence here reminded me of, too. And given how many clear callbacks we've seen to previous stories, maybe that's intentional. Back then, Norman was setting Peter up so he'd be public enemy number one. He was faking being the legitimate, non-Goblin businessman. Maybe we connect the dots to a logical conclusion that involves current Norman being sinful, Goblin-y Norman even though he says otherwise; a double bluff, basically. I'd actually like that to be the case.
Also, Spectacular 250 was by DeMatteis. Another reference to one of his more significant stories would make sense.
Yeah, like Spider-Gwen, I'm starting to get impatient when it comes to wanting answers at this point. (Even though we all know that One More Day is totally at the heart of this). I also think it's funny that, while The Order, are essentially representing the opinions of the reader, there's no getting around the fact that, from a narrative standpoint, they inserted themselves into this whole thing based on Julia Carpenter's visions which she either a)misinterpreted, or b)withheld crucial information. So they're complaints about "we want answers" is kind of rich. Also, where's Doctor Strange? Still fighting demon MJ in the astral plane?
Also, also, the mysterious extra body belong to Harry seems like pretty obvious and the one that makes the most sense in light of all the One More Day stuff. However...
That's the most intriguing theory I've seen yet. Especially we don't see what happens to Carlie after she's interrupted. And, when Peter has those ASM #545 flashbacks of Harry's coming home party, it specifically showed Carlie right beside him also looking rather sinister. The other possibility is that Harry/Kindred's spare centipede (and notice how, in earlier issues since his capture, there was only one centipede? Clever, clever Spencer) has possessed her.
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This story is looking more and more like the clone saga from the 90s. The pacing, the decompression, the multiples issues per month, the dark tone, Peter being all stressed and out of patience, the osborns being involved at a high degree, the mysterious plot points that never get resolved... For me at least, this isn't a good signal.
Here's another weird idea: what if Harry transformed into Kindred after discovering his own body? That by seeing his own corpse, he suddenly remembered that he died and that all his "I was convalescing in Europe" was a big fat lie.
Also, if Spencer wants to get even more meta, what if Harry, while he has false memories and before he became Kindred, subconsciously "recruited" Carlie and Lily Hollister as a means to run interference on Peter to prevent him getting back together with Mary Jane? That's certainly the implication from that ASM #545/Brand New Day flashback. Which makes me wonder if Carlie (and possibly Lily) had some of those Kindred centipedes in their bodies all this time, acting like demonic parasites and bidding their time for the right moment. And since Stanley is Harry and Lily's child...
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Thank you Anyway, I think Carlie will be a pawn/accomplice of Kindred from now and therefore we readers won't find out soon whom body she has seen belongs to. Which leads me to another theory based on your theories
Exactly. It would be an explanation why BND-Harry was so good and friendly to Peter and why he is now a vengeful demon. What if there is a trigger for remembering your life before One More Day, to see a full picture of the current reality. Maybe Carlie experienced the same discovery in the morgue. Now she will be able to change their appearance - showing human face and Kindred mask like Harry, but in each form being aware of the TRUTH.
And the last question - what if our frustration of not getting answers are caused by in-universe (OMD?) rule that you cannot get them directly? You cannot just tell somebody about the TRUTH. A person needs a shock, an earthquake for his/her soul. Maybe that's why Kindred couldn't plainly say what sin Peter must confess to. Maybe that's why he commited these heinous acts (visions of Mary Jane's death, digging corpses, possesing Spider-People etc.), counting on that they will be a trigger for Peter to see the TRUTH. Maybe the only difference between Peter/Mary Jane and Harry/Carlie is that the second ones were dead before OMD and in the new reality these triggers caused their transformation into demons, because their existence is purely supernatural and connected to the deal with Mephisto.
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Man, I’d love it if Spidey 2099 was still around in 616 so he could be part of this group.
I'm not a fan of all these unresolved mysteries piling up one upon another, however, I have enjoyed the last few issues immensely so I'll give Spencer a pass and trust him that there will be an adequate payoff (eventually). Another solid issue, good work Nick et al.
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"So you've come to the end now alive but dead inside."
It does feel like there's plenty of run left.
There was another thread that asked how Spencer's run rates with others. One thing I was wondering was whether we could evaluate a section of his run as something standalone.
For Stan Lee, his work with Ditko differs from his work with Romita. For Michelinie, we can evaluate his runs with McFarlane, Larsen and Bagley.
With JMS, we can consider how he was with Romita Jr and with later artists (Deodato, Garney.) You could also make a case that there was a bigger divide when Spider-Man joined the New Avengers.
Dan Slott's run falls into distinct eras. The Big Time. Superior Spider-Man. Parker Industries.
I was wondering if Spencer's run could be split with one section ending at Last Remains. But the last two issues were clearly part of that.
However, does this issue function as a cutoff? Bagley's sticking around as an artist, and the next stuff is paying off of earlier plot threads.
There seems to be a new costume and direction kicking off in a few issues, so maybe that's when it starts.
Spencer's run might be similar to Tom King's, in that it is tough to determine when to split it.
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Thomas Mets