Brexit or Britain Stronger?

[GigiFusc]

$5 on the Queen Dissolving everything and Brings back the Empire!

I'd take that bet. Elizabeth is nothing but a figurehead now. Her purpose is to dazzle people from other countries that think a Queen is cool or quaint (even though they wouldn't have one in their countries). She has no power. We'd be better of ditching her and her inbred family.

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bomb

God save the queen
She ain't no human being
There is no future
In England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future, no future,
No future for you

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seems

Oh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh Lord God have mercy
All crimes are paid

When there's no future
How can there be sin
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future, your future

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England's dreaming

No future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future,
No future for me

No future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future
For you

[jeanvaljean]

I'd take that bet. Elizabeth is nothing but a figurehead now. Her purpose is to dazzle people from other countries that think a Queen is cool or quaint (even though they wouldn't have one in their countries). She has no power. We'd be better of ditching her and her inbred family.

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bomb

God save the queen
She ain't no human being
There is no future
In England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future, no future,
No future for you

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seems

Oh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh Lord God have mercy
All crimes are paid

When there's no future
How can there be sin
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future, your future

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England's dreaming

No future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future,
No future for me

No future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future
For you

That already makes two songs for the official Brexit soundtrack:

It was a cute sort of "oopsy-daisy-hows-your-father-evenin-guvnor-fucked-yer-country" ditty. A jolly funeral march for the state of the nation. In three seconds it managed to be mournful, naive, defeated, optimistic, ignorant, relieved, upbeat, downbeat depressing, despondent, annoying, upsetting, and totally beyond comprehension. It's the sound of summer 2k16.

[GigiFusc]

That already makes two songs for the official Brexit soundtrack:

LOL. Mr Bean.

[Coin Biter]

The NEC have ruled that Corbyn has to be a candidate in the Labour leadership election. Given the likely legal challenges if they found otherwise, not to mention the fury from Corbyn's supporters, it was the sensible decision.

[Kieran_Frost]

The NEC have ruled that Corbyn has to be a candidate in the Labour leadership election. Given the likely legal challenges if they found otherwise, not to mention the fury from Corbyn's supporters, it was the sensible decision.

Some believe there will be a legal battle against the ruling. Messy messy times (the attack on Angela's HQ is shocking).

[GigiFusc]

Labour were already dead, but it will be interesting to see how the splitters play this one, seeing as they just bet the farm on the idea that no-one wanted one of the big 2 parties to move to the left. Their leadership contender had better be pretty impressive.

/watches Angela Eagle's leadership announcement press conference

Some believe there will be a legal battle against the ruling. Messy messy times (the attack on Angela's HQ is shocking).

Really dislike Eagle. Even though Corbyn completely denounced any form of violence she went out of her way to tell him that he needs to control his supporters. Political point scoring to a membership sick of political point scoring is a pretty stupid thing to do.

Corbyn on the other hand mentioned he had received death threats yet didn't link her directly to those threats.

She's very unlikeable imo. No one would vote for her to be PM and I really think Corbyn will trounce her with an even larger majority than he received last time.

Corbyns not perfect don't get me wrong. He is too stuck in the old ways and needs to modernise his campaign strategies. But he's a very popular leader amongst the socialist grass roots. Something tha Eagle isn't.

[Brigonos Chomhgaill]

Well, if there wasn't a last-minute fix of the ballot, I have literally no idea what the point of this whole exercise was unless they specifically set out to make the little pinko throwback all but bulletproof.
Yes, a fix would have been transparent, but the PLP were already screwed after weeks of lies, bullying, and fake antisemitism/homophobic smears that were debunked within minutes of being made public and which have painted them as untrustworthy bullies as well as planting the notion that the media can't be trusted to report anything at all about Corbyn, and to top it all off their Chicken Coup failed so they were painted as a shower of losers as well - they had literally nothing to lose and everything to gain from a fix, and they didn't even do it.
Their only achievement has been to turn Corbyn into a martyr and create the biggest socialist party in the Western world by cramming it with fully paid-up members rushing to lend Leftie Jesus their support, so even if at the last their intent was to destroy the Labour party, they failed at that, too. They failed at failing. Unbelievable.

[Coin Biter]

Removed - I was pretty much repeating myself

[Coin Biter]

Well, if there wasn't a last-minute fix of the ballot, I have literally no idea what the point of this whole exercise was unless they specifically set out to make the little pinko throwback all but bulletproof.
Yes, a fix would have been transparent, but the PLP were already screwed after weeks of lies, bullying, and fake antisemitism/homophobic smears that were debunked within minutes of being made public and which have painted them as untrustworthy bullies as well as planting the notion that the media can't be trusted to report anything at all about Corbyn, and to top it all off their Chicken Coup failed so they were painted as a shower of losers as well - they had literally nothing to lose and everything to gain from a fix, and they didn't even do it.
Their only achievement has been to turn Corbyn into a martyr and create the biggest socialist party in the Western world by cramming it with fully paid-up members rushing to lend Leftie Jesus their support, so even if at the last their intent was to destroy the Labour party, they failed at that, too. They failed at failing. Unbelievable.

They probably have made him bulletproof, but the polls thought the Bremainers would win the referendum, and Corbyn's supporters were predicting he'd lose at the NEC so.... **** knows.

A leadership election field that consists simply of Eagle and Corbyn does look pretty dismal - I wonder if they'll drag anyone else to the fore.

[Brigonos Chomhgaill]

At this point they'd be better off letting an actual eagle run against Corbyn - even if it was that one that was in the news earlier for trying to fly off with someone's child, it would still do better than Angela.

[GigiFusc]

Well, if there wasn't a last-minute fix of the ballot, I have literally no idea what the point of this whole exercise was unless they specifically set out to make the little pinko throwback all but bulletproof.
Yes, a fix would have been transparent, but the PLP were already screwed after weeks of lies, bullying, and fake antisemitism/homophobic smears that were debunked within minutes of being made public and which have painted them as untrustworthy bullies as well as planting the notion that the media can't be trusted to report anything at all about Corbyn, and to top it all off their Chicken Coup failed so they were painted as a shower of losers as well - they had literally nothing to lose and everything to gain from a fix, and they didn't even do it.
Their only achievement has been to turn Corbyn into a martyr and create the biggest socialist party in the Western world by cramming it with fully paid-up members rushing to lend Leftie Jesus their support, so even if at the last their intent was to destroy the Labour party, they failed at that, too. They failed at failing. Unbelievable.

I think it was a last stab to maintain a right of left Labour party - the one that Blair created. Why? Because it got them into power. But their logic is flawed. Leaders win elections. Good, charasmatic leaders. Leaders who have an air of knowing what they're doing. Leaders who convey empathy with the general public. It's not a 100% truth, but it's almost always the case - the stronger leader ends up winning.

Thatcher v Kinnock
Major v Kinnock was it?
Blair v cant remember?
Brown v Cameron
Cameron v Milliband
May v Corbyn? That's an interesting one because the mainstream right wing media portray Corbyn in such a negative way, yet the public seem to be ignoring that. Don't forget Labour won a by-election with Corbyn just last year. I think it will come down to May. If she maintains this left of right Tory party with some socialist policies, I think she'll win.

[Coin Biter]

Leaders can't win if the great majority of their Parliamentary party thinks they're useless and has indicated they should go. I can't see how a Corbyn-led Labour Party can win the next election. I don't think they could even if the PLP was united behind him, I think Corbyn will play enormously badly with most voters in a GE - just my personal view. But I'm sure they can't in the current circumstances.

Leaders win elections if the circumstances are right, if their party is behind them, and if they have a clear message. Corbyn's Labour party will be mincemeat before a May-led Tory party, the SNP, and not discounting the threat from the Lib Dems and UKIP.

[Coin Biter]

All these shenanigans are making me want to move to Scotland

Even their Conservative politicians are likable http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-boris-johnson

[Brigonos Chomhgaill]

Leaders can't win if the great majority of their Parliamentary party thinks they're useless and has indicated they should go.

Leaving aside the emerging stories of MPs being bullied and threatened into siding with the splitters, this only works if people are on the side of the PLP. If, however, the PLP have tried and failed to make the current situation look like an ideological rift and now no-one believes they were motivated by good intentions, all this does is strengthen Corbyn's position and make him look like he's in the right - and even if he isn't, who's going to vote for bullies and liars in the current climate?
I was watching a video of John McTernan's furious phone call to BBC news as he bitterly said Corbyn's name over and over again, rattling off dire and apocalyptic warnings of the death of Labour and how the party had been stabbed through the heart with a dagger and all I could think was "what a complete fucking twat." This is basically a paradigm for the PLP right now, and they somehow manage to keep making it worse.

[Coin Biter]

Leaving aside the emerging stories of MPs being bullied and threatened into siding with the splitters, this only works if people are on the side of the PLP. If, however, the PLP have tried and failed to make the current situation look like an ideological rift and now no-one believes they were motivated by good intentions, all this does is strengthen Corbyn's position and make him look like he's in the right - and even if he isn't, who's going to vote for bullies and liars in the current climate?
I was watching a video of John McTernan's furious phone call to BBC news as he bitterly said Corbyn's name over and over again, rattling off dire and apocalyptic warnings of the death of Labour and how the party had been stabbed through the heart with a dagger and all I could think was "what a complete fucking twat." This is basically a paradigm for the PLP right now, and they somehow manage to keep making it worse.

If the alternatives are Corbyn leading a divided Parliamentary Party and an angry but supportive Party membership, with many of his critics under threat from deselection, and a replacement leading a united Parliamentary Party and an angry and antagonistic Party membership, with many of Corbyn's enemies under threat from deselection, then I agree, either way Labour are in the ****. Which is a shame. The country needs a strong opposition.