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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Raptor View Post
    What a ridiculous idea....
    I agree

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    Yeah but we live in an MCU world today where everything they do is praised and worshiped, and fans and critics who bashed the FOX films for making changes will conveniently accept all the changes MCU Xmen will make.
    There are so many brilliant mutants of all races and nationalities. It would be such a shame to raceswap characters to get around using the true diverse Mutants.
    The agreement also provides Disney with the opportunity to reunite the X-MEN with the Marvel family under one roof and create richer, more complex worlds of inter-related characters and stories that audiences have shown they love. It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.


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    I highly doubt MCU X-Men are going to revolve around original "diverse" characters like Neal Shaara and Frenzy. It won't be the end of the world if they have POC Scott and/or Jean. After decades of both Marvel and Fox focusing almost only on white characters as "minority allegories", it would actually be refreshing.

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    Great to have this topic already, hopefully we get first bits of news once Dark Phoenix is released, or a few months after.

    about diversity on Marvel's take, it would be stupid to change race, when Marvel can use Storm, Bishop, Jubilee, Sunfire, Warpath all at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    I highly doubt MCU X-Men are going to revolve around original "diverse" characters like Neal Shaara and Frenzy. It won't be the end of the world if they have POC Scott and/or Jean. After decades of both Marvel and Fox focusing almost only on white characters as "minority allegories", it would actually be refreshing.
    Thing is, then you have the tackle the question of whether Josh Brolin's Cable is their son. And the fan outcry if the answer is no, or if Ryan Reynold Deadpool is discontinuity.

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    Turning the iconic white characters where you have a avalanche of popular, well rounded black characters would only further take away attention from characters who have had a minority following and connection. It's not worth it. If you wanna centralize the plot through a minority character- there's storm. There's bishop , there's jubilee, all three have been central to different plots you can retell through film. Plus the Goal of the XMEN is not to centralize a plot through one or two characters but thru3-7
    Cyclops was right

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurararaFTW View Post
    Thing is, then you have the tackle the question of whether Josh Brolin's Cable is their son. And the fan outcry if the answer is no, or if Ryan Reynold Deadpool is discontinuity.
    Josh Brolin is already Thanos in the MCU. And Deadpool 2 or a pre-MCU Deadpool 3 or X-Force could already establish his Cable as Tye Sheridan and Sophie Turner's son. So that's complicated as it is and even if Scott/Jean are racebent in the MCU, Deadpool could just use it as joke fodder, "Your parents are now black, and you are a giant purple elf!" *shrug*

    Quote Originally Posted by ciscostudent561 View Post
    Turning the iconic white characters where you have a avalanche of popular, well rounded black characters would only further take away attention from characters who have had a minority following and connection. It's not worth it. If you wanna centralize the plot through a minority character- there's storm. There's bishop , there's jubilee, all three have been central to different plots you can retell through film. Plus the Goal of the XMEN is not to centralize a plot through one or two characters but thru3-7
    Where's this avalanche of black characters? Storm, Bishop (who needs the entire timey wimey deal to appear), Monet (who is the younger generation) and... Frenzy. Maybe Synch too.

    I would love it if all these characters appear in the first MCU film but it doesn't seem very feasible. If Scott and Jean (or heck, even Charles) are going to be played by a third set of actors, may as well have them be different races. What's "iconic" about their skin color anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    Josh Brolin is already Thanos in the MCU. And Deadpool 2 or a pre-MCU Deadpool 3 or X-Force could already establish his Cable as Tye Sheridan and Sophie Turner's son. So that's complicated as it is and even if Scott/Jean are racebent in the MCU, Deadpool could just use it as joke fodder, "Your parents are now black, and you are a giant purple elf!" *shrug*



    Where's this avalanche of black characters? Storm, Bishop (who needs the entire timey wimey deal to appear), Monet (who is the younger generation) and... Frenzy. Maybe Synch too.

    I would love it if all these characters appear in the first MCU film but it doesn't seem very feasible. If Scott and Jean (or heck, even Charles) are going to be played by a third set of actors, may as well have them be different races. What's "iconic" about their skin color anyway?
    Josh Brolin being Thanos doesn't really mean much because when Inhumans were being considered for a film Vin Diesel wanted to be Blackbolt when he was already Groot. Thanos being CGI gives JB an option to play a live action character in the MCU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    Josh Brolin is already Thanos in the MCU. And Deadpool 2 or a pre-MCU Deadpool 3 or X-Force could already establish his Cable as Tye Sheridan and Sophie Turner's son. So that's complicated as it is and even if Scott/Jean are racebent in the MCU, Deadpool could just use it as joke fodder, "Your parents are now black, and you are a giant purple elf!" *shrug*
    If Disney is still paying Sophie and Tye to appear as Scott and Jean in Deadpool 3 or X-Force in 2020 then they are not being recast.

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    Avalanche of minority characters not black ones hence jubilee.
    Also Characters and their distinctions are iconic.
    Cyclops was right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    Where's this avalanche of black characters?

    The difference between the MCU & FOX is that Marvel can make character's popular that aren't popular with casual fans.

    Groot, Rocket, Korg etc

    Marvel can make anything popular so yes Oya, Bling, Darwin, Triage, Prodigy, Bishop, Shard, Synch, Frenzy etc can flourish under Disney.


    Don't raceswap Iceman, Beast, or Angel it's just idiotic. This is just like when everybody was calling for Miles instead of Peter. MCU hasn't raceswapped any top level Character yet. Only lower tier like Valkryie or Heimdall. There's no way they are making Cyclops or Marvel Girl another race just to be different from FOX. Those movies will be a non factor going forward like the old Spiderman movies.

    If they wanna raceswap then make Storm darkskin instead of light skin that'll be an iconic change for once
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    The agreement also provides Disney with the opportunity to reunite the X-MEN with the Marvel family under one roof and create richer, more complex worlds of inter-related characters and stories that audiences have shown they love. It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.


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    I think Disney is giving a lot of the spotlight to female and minority characters lately. The X-Men have plenty those and I figure Disney would definitely use them, there is no need to raceswap. If they give more prominence to Storm and Kitty Pryde over Wolverine or Xavier that's already an improvement from before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Child of the Atom View Post
    Can we have a black Jean or Black Emma in the MCU. I want this to happen if the deal goes through. Just to shake things up.
    Astrid Bloom?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicoletta View Post
    I think Disney is giving a lot of the spotlight to female and minority characters lately. The X-Men have plenty those and I figure Disney would definitely use them, there is no need to raceswap. If they give more prominence to Storm and Kitty Pryde over Wolverine or Xavier that's already an improvement from before.
    Storm, Jubilee, Kitty and Rogue having more development at Marvel will already be an improvement over Fox.
    Cyclops acting as the only leader another.
    and the list goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildOfTheAtom View Post
    The difference between the MCU & FOX is that Marvel can make character's popular that aren't popular with casual fans.
    Not really. Quicksilver in the films is way more popular than he is in the comics. There is also NSTW.

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    the only 2 examples coming from Fox lol
    Marvel on the other hand: Guardians of the galaxy, Antman, Doctor Strange and soon to be added Black Panther, Captain Marvel.

    Fox has yet to make Rogue a fan and general audience favourite after 17 years.

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