HoX Omega Level Mutant: Definition and list *spoilers*

[Snoop Dogg]

there is nothing on this page that says only one mutant of a specific subdivision of a power type can be on a list, it says that a limited number of power types can potentially reach the point where they cannot be surpassed or measured, and then gives you the names of those who can reach that potential, there's no competition for a spot, you can't be there because someone else isn't

[Tank]

there is nothing on this page that says only one mutant of a specific subdivision of a power type can be on a list, it says that a limited number of power types can potentially reach the point where they cannot be surpassed or measured, and then gives you the names of those who can reach that potential, there's no competition for a spot, you can't be there because someone else isn't

You have omega level comprehension!

[Glio]

Exactly, there are powers that inherently cannot be omega, no matter how much you develop them. You cannot be "omega healing factor" or "omega beams from the punch dimension". The very nature of their powers is too limited.

Others such as telepathy, matter/energy manipulation or reality warping have much more potential.

[raidensix]

I have re-read the definition several times and I don’t get why some people say that there can only be one Omega mutant per power. The way I read it, this is just a list of mutants whose power is limitless. Both Jean and Quentin’s telepathy is limitless, therefore both are on the list. It is not a competition of whose power is the strongest in each power category.
I think it is the example with Magneto and Forge that confuses people. The whole ”Both Magneto and Forge are the most powerful mutants of their power types ...”. But that is not the definition. The definition is: ”A mutant whose dominant power is deemed to register -- or reach -- an undefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification.” And that means that if several people with the same power set have no upper limit to their power they will all be omega. The reason why Emma, Betsy and other telepaths are not here is not because Jean and Quentin have taken their spot, it is because their power has an upper limit.
This is not a ”there can be only one”-competition. It is just a list of mutants who have no upper limit to their power.

Agreed. Maybe we can extend it as "Omega" mutants are those whose power levels cannot be fully measured? For a super-simplified example, "most telepaths can control at most 10 minds at the same time but Jean/Quentin's limits are higher but not quantified?". Also, are there "potential Omega mutants" ?

[ExodusCloak]

Exactly, there are powers that inherently cannot be omega, no matter how much you develop them. You cannot be "omega healing factor" or "omega beams from the punch dimension". The very nature of their powers is too limited.

Others such as telepathy, matter/energy manipulation or reality warping have much more potential.

That was established. Characters like Stryfe, Rachel, Cable etc were characterised as unlimited potential. Franklin was/is still one despite not having his powers.

Rachel's whole thing was having unlimited potential. But she's not described as one.

Mad Jim Harper's is another reality warping mutant so is Gaia.

To see Kid Omega included but none of the Summmerrs Grey Clan would insinuate one per category but we will see what they say on Jean/Kid Omega share the title.

Remmeber Forge is the most powerful mutant in his category but his powerset disqualifies him. As it can be hypothetically surpassed

[Glio]

Agreed. Maybe we can extend it as "Omega" mutants are those whose power levels cannot be fully measured? For a super-simplified example, "most telepaths can control at most 10 minds at the same time but Jean/Quentin's limits are higher but not quantified?". Also, are there "potential Omega mutants" ?

I think that "cannot be measured" is the key. For example you can check how much weight Colossus can lift or how much kinetic energy Cyclops can generate.

You cannot measure in a conventional way what Storm or Magneto could do to their limits. What are you going to do, count hurricanes, EMPs? If we get fussy you could probably do it theoretically but not in practice.

[butterflykyss]

We've seen Kurt depowered several times and he's Caucasian

oh thank you beloved.

[ExodusCloak]

I think that "cannot be measured" is the key. For example you can check how much weight Colossus can lift or how much kinetic energy Cyclops can generate.

You cannot measure in a conventional way what Storm or Magneto could do to their limits. What are you going to do, count hurricanes, EMPs? If we get fussy you could probably do it theoretically but not in practice.

Nate Grey broke Moiras machines when they tried to measure his powers

[Glio]

Nate Grey broke Moiras machines when they tried to measure his powers

Nate Grey is not of this reality and is not in this dimension. Why are they going to put him on the list and not Hyperstorm?

[ExodusCloak]

Nate Grey is not of this reality and is not in this dimension. Why are they going to put him on the list and not Hyperstorm?

It's a list of known mutants. And he just wreaked havoc on the world

[tuck frump]

So, Nightcrawler isn't a person of color in the 616 universe? Gatekeeping? It's strange because i'm black and I related to him in God Loves, Man Kills, even though he's blue. Wow.

No he's not. POC is an umbrella term for non white ppl in western predominantly white countries when discussing issues of race (at the social level, not biological) and racism. Socially, race isn't defined strictly by skin color. And there's no blue race or blue community in the MU. His skintone is a result of his mutation not an indicator of him belonging to a certain group, besides mutants which comprise plenty of white characters. Kurt also identifies as white as evidenced by him taking the appearance of a white man when using image inducer and his skin turning white when he's depowered (not sure if that ever happened in 616 but it was the case in alt universes see: XMen Forever).

On the macro level, Kurt standing as a character isn't defined by him not being white the way a character like Storm for instance is. Her treatment by writers going back to Claremont, for better or worse, all the way to nowadays, definitely for worse, has been colored by her being a black woman and the way these writers view black people. That also applies to the way fandom treats her. Kurt dont face these barriers bc blue ppl don't exist irl so writers and fans opinions of him won't be impacted by their bias towards this imaginary group. That doesn't invalidate you relating to him. That's what an allegory is for but that's not representation.

[Glio]

It's a list of known mutants.

It is a list that speaks of them as if they were a natural resource. People from other realities cannot be a natural resource. Maybe Krakoa can't feed on them or something.

[Paleo_Rage]

I wish we could see more of that omega strength from Exodus. Seems like he never does anything. Everyone else on this list has at least some omega feats.

He has feats.. Just not in a long long time.. He has held back the avengers and xmen..Jean Grey was shook by his telepathy when her and Cyclops were on Avalon.He went toe to toe with Sersi an eternal..His potential was also hinted at in AOA... I mean he is a telepath, telekinetic, teleporter.. He also fought Nate Grey when he first arrived in Earth 616. I mean what else do you want him to have done?

[Havok83]

It's a list of known mutants. And he just wreaked havoc on the world

He did that with the use of a life seed to boost his powers and later merged with Legion. His baseline levels arent like they were in the 90s. Nate himself to a massive power downgrade years ago in the Schism era

[Paleo_Rage]

No he's not. POC is an umbrella term for non white ppl in western predominantly white countries when discussing issues of race (at the social level, not biological) and racism. Socially, race isn't defined strictly by skin color. And there's no blue race or blue community in the MU. His skintone is a result of his mutation not an indicator of him belonging to a certain group, besides mutants which comprise plenty of white characters. Kurt also identifies as white as evidenced by him taking the appearance of a white man when using image inducer and his skin turning white when he's depowered (not sure if that ever happened in 616 but it was the case in alt universes see: XMen Forever).

On the macro level, Kurt standing as a character isn't defined by him not being white the way a character like Storm for instance is. Her treatment by writers going back to Claremont, for better or worse, all the way to nowadays, definitely for worse, has been colored by her being a black woman and the way these writers view black people. That also applies to the way fandom treats her. Kurt dont face these barriers bc blue ppl don't exist irl so writers and fans opinions of him won't be impacted by their bias towards this imaginary group. That doesn't invalidate you relating to him. That's what an allegory is for but that's not representation.

Bingo.. I have never heard Nightcrawler referenced as a POC. Fans know he is a white man. But its kind of funny thinking Kurt is not white when folks were mad that Domino was played by a Black woman. People just assumed chalk white skin and all , she was white even though the creator had not given her a race.You all remember the casting drama. The same can be said for Blink. Folks were mad when her Bahamas origins were showed that she was Black. Beast is blue, but we know he is white. Archangel is Blue, but we know he is white. So why would Kurt be any different especially considering he came from Germany when the majority of the population at the time when he was created was white! The only POC that have unique mutations are Bling ( but we had to infer she was Black because her parents were rappers and hip hop artist and her name of course). I guess Desmond is the second one.. He is green but we know with out a mutation he would have brown skin.