Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
Arx Inosaan
Not exactly. Superman beyond was the consciousness' (god, writer whatever) response to the stories it had created (the multiverse). The monitors were also part of that "response" to contain the bad parts of the consciousness spinning out of control
In any case, the "machine" was powered by both superman and Ultraman, not just superman. I don't know if that falls under "composite"
Edit- or rather it was the response to the response. The first response to creation (the first monitor) went crazy, "infected" by the stories of the multiverse. The machine was created to prevent the first response from attacking the multiverse . In a way it represents superman not only because it is the "first" one but also as the ultimate deux ex machina to "fix" stories
Last edited by The Dork Knight; 11-17-2019 at 12:42 PM.
In any case the sun dipped superman that destroyed a multiverse and one shotted a casual universe buster is probably more relevant here
Also there are versions of superman that are outright reality warpers on a scale of being part of group efforts that go "universe reset" and throw down with Krona
Last edited by The Dork Knight; 11-17-2019 at 12:56 PM.
Honestly, I'd be surprised if Composite Clark wasn't stronger than Composite Goku, due to the fact that even Wolverine has been a cosmic being at least once and Clark has existed in multiple forms across multiple media for far longer than Logan has, and usually operates on a far higher tier.
I was just responding to the proposition that Composite Goku didn't approach "just" Superman Prime.
Also, is Ultraman also named Clark? I thought that he was just an alternate version of Kal-El, in which case his feats should probably also count.
Last edited by The Drunkard Kid; 11-17-2019 at 01:53 PM.
The first point is fair, as I can't really remember if it was explicitly stated. The second point doesn't matter since he explicitly learned how to *not* accidentally destroy the universe while going full out and he's on the tier of the Gods of Destruction who are about to wreck universes.
Goku is a universe buster now. People in his weight class can muck with reality as side scatter of their fights, threaten the universe and overpower fundamental aspects of nature. They have been capable of damaging spacial reality since the Buu saga.
Goku learned specifically how NOT to blow up the universe while fighting Beerus so saying "he didnt do stuff on that scale later" is bunk.
And even if you somehow just ignore all that evidence..... Last I checked, Goku was Moderator Ruled as a universe buster as an official Rumbles stance.
"At the end of the day, Arby is a pretty prolific poster proposing a plurality of proper posts for us."
- big_adventure
Wait wut.
Link to the ruling ?
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
Arx Inosaan
To be clear I don't disagree. Gogeta and Broly were straight punching in and out of dimensions like they were just going to the store to pick up some milk; just didn't realize it had been ruled on.
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
Arx Inosaan
Hm, I suppose you can infer Goku is on that level based on what's said, but it more says "he contributed half". Which is like saying Blackbolt is a galaxy buster cuz he powered that bomb.
He only trades even with Zamasu types after he fuses, as far as I remember.
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
Arx Inosaan
I mean, I don't want to contradict the mods here, but that mod ruling is in direct contradiction with what we told and shown in the episode itself.
The Old Kai directly states that the waves gain strength the farther they travel. The threat to the universe is also described as be the result of a chain reaction caused by cumulative strikes. , So it's not even as if there were a chance of a true universe busting feat. It's destruction over time, not in a single burst
We see the waves passing through the earth, and doing no damage to the planet, then it vaporizes a planet that is further away, backing up what the Old Kai says.
Goku contributes half* to an attack the explicitly grows stronger over time, requires multiple uses to do the job, and doesn't even destroy the universe all at once. There are a lot of asterisk here.
*Probably slightly less than half sense Beerus is still stronger than him
Last edited by Jcogginsa; 11-17-2019 at 04:21 PM.
Seems like you do in fact want to contradict the mods
"At the end of the day, Arby is a pretty prolific poster proposing a plurality of proper posts for us."
- big_adventure