Well, that doesn't mean I don't think she was well done in of herself. I think it was her best showing before now because she actually got some focus and wasn't treated like just a side character.
I like spy stuff in general, but within the MCU it's a bit underwhelming to me because Marvel seems to think spy = no powers.
Yeah, they did have those. But they don't seem to be as prominent in the main Avengers book. But it's true that's more than what Janet's gotten in terms of solos.
She was just kinda there. All of her characterization was just backstory we'd just heard in that movie. Beating up the bad guys was cool but it's not much in terms of characterization
Hope was treated like a side character and kept out of actually being a superhero by her dad in AM1 despite being a grown woman. AM2 gave her more but Scott still got more focus. As for Wanda, she had some development in AoU and CW, but it wasn't near the levels of other heroes like Iron Man, Thor or Captain America.
It was partially due to the poorly done romance making her look like she hated her life. And she and Banner had no chemistry. It wasn't at all a pairing I liked. Plus, she was the only Avenger to get captured by the villain
It would be a start. Some meaningful character interaction between superheroines would be welcome.
I don't oppose the Black Widow movie. It's just not something I highly anticipated.
And I think she was ok but not great in Avengers.
Technically, most of the GotG crew don't have powers either and that's not a spy franchise.
Well Marvel is a superhero universe, right? Characters have colorful powers and costumes. So for non-powered individuals to be prominently included in that world, they can't just all be Darcy from Thor; they'd have to be somewhat enmeshed, like SHIELD, which begets spy characters like Fury, Coulson, Hill, and so forth. So logically it follows that the non-powered people would be spy characters. (though Falcon isn't a spy character; he just hangs with them)
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The red in the ledger thing was pretty strong characterization that informs her comics and MCU character to this day.
In a teamup movie where there's larger than life personalities (like Cap, Tony, Thor), how much more runtime could they have realistically devoted to Wanda or Vision? And if you found them lacking there, well hey, Marvel's fixing it now with all these TV shows. So it's win-win for everyone.
To me, it didn't sound like she hated her life; more that she regretted not being able to have kids and how that choice was taken away from her.
It'd be fun to see, sure. But I don't think it's important. Other than Gamora and Nebula, Jane and Darcy, I don't recall any other female friendships in the MCU. I don't think the movies suffered for this, though. The upcoming Cap Marvel 2 should fix this, I'm sure.
Yeah, but it's still just in the background. Not even in flashbacks. We didn't see her from the ground up like we did a lot of other MCU heroes. I think Marvel should've shown more of that from the beginning.
Those guys already had their own movies to flesh them out. So team ups can devote time to characters who don't have their own franchises, like Scarlet Witch, Vision and Quicksilver (had he survived).
And if Hope is the co-lead, she should get equal focus.
I understand her regretting that her choice was taken away. I was talking about her acting like she and Bruce should run away from everything. At least, that's what I recall.
I think it is important. They did in the comics, so they can do in the movies too. CM2 will have that so that's something to look forward to
Her being the leader in the 80s for one. Under Siege is just one example of how far she had come.
For the record I am a fan of all three and if one or the other gets movie time is not that different for me. I started reading comics in the 80s and the three were my favorites.
And I would not have put her on the avengers movie just because it would not work with explaining who she is.
For that they would have needed to let her show up in a movie before.
I guess it's hard to see Janet and Nat as partners outside of the Avengers. Their stories or the genres they play in don't overlap. That's why I suggested Mockingbird a few pages. Her presence is easier to handwave away as another SHIELD agent etc.
In hindsight I like Secret Warriors take on Goliath and Wasp. It just wouldn't work with the Phase 1 we got. Maybe a rewritten Phase 2?
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