Nah the fact that she can hold a multiverse in her hand pushes her over just fine. The "Overvoid", the blank canvas you set so highly literally went crazy, unable to cope with the concept of a " story". The "writer ", one of the first times the idea of a writer as a supreme Being was used in comics, that specific writer was straight up killed within a comic later. Mandrakk was beaten by GLs and Supermen and sunlight. Lucifer beat Michael the one time they fought to the death
It's far better to judge characters on actual feats than some arbitrary list found somewhere on the internet, most of such lists have a tendency to be based on personal preference anyway and in any case most of these high end characters are not distinct enough to merit some clear cut ranking from 1-10
It should be noted that Lucifer ultimately broke hardcore with mainstream DC continuity, in what miniscule ways it interacted with it anyway, as far as talking about junk like the limitations of the Presence, while we're there. The Presence was the Presence juuuust fine despite stepping down and being replaced with Elaine Belloc in the pages of Lucifer.
1. God (The Presence, Kirby's The Source, The Overvoid).
2. Elaine Belloc.
3. Nekron, The Great Evil, Pralaya, Mother Night.
4. Mandrakk.
5. Michael Demiurgos/Lucifer Morningstar.
6. The Endless.
7. The Anti-Monitor.
8. Beings linked to the Shadowland are able to compete with The Spectre due to their nature.
Note that, as Greg Rucka stated, angels are as powerful as God wants them to be.
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Ironically for all those ranking Lucifer and co above the Monitor and AM, the latest take on that has them dwarfing multiverses and being brothers/equals to the guy who churns out multiverses and keeps the thing that eats failed multiverses as a pet
In this comic book, only The Judges of The Source are showed to operate on Multiverses scale since they decide whether or not such Multiverse deserve to live. So I don't know where you can find the information that the three brothers are too. Barbatos does not "eat failed multiverses", but "failed [universes]".
Still below Michael Demiurgos/Lucifer Morningstar : Lucifer Morningstar's mere presence can destroy Creation itself, as he did by destroying the mansions of silence which contains other Creation. Only because they couldn't support his mere presence.
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There is a misunderstanding.
As stated Lucifer's writer Mike Carey.
"we make our gods for ourselves, in our own image"
Humanity did not created a omnipotent entity, but their view of it. The same way as humanity have different views of Dream of The Endless according to their beliefs system.
The Judges otherwise sealed away someone who holds multiverses in her hand as far as scale goes so just to begin with they operate much higher than that
Fair enough on Barbatos being merely a universe eater though he was operating on a multiversal scale at full power
The mansions were specifically noted to be weaker than other dimensions. Lucifer otherwise moves around in normal universes just fine without destroying them with his presence. And since we are splitting hairs on the multiverse/universe thing, his creation is called a multiverse basically just the once and otherwise multiple times called a mere universe and with nothing as clear cut as the multiverses as depicted in the case of MonitorsStill below Michael Demiurgos/Lucifer Morningstar : Lucifer Morningstar's mere presence can destroy Creation itself, as he did by destroying the mansions of silence which contains other Creation. Only because they couldn't support his mere presence.
To begin with, your point is fallacious: the three brothers are not as powerful as Perpetua. So I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that they are on the same as scale as The Judges of The Source, which, moreover, helped them get rid of Perpetua. So, no, the three brothers dont operate on a Multiverses scale. Only on a Multiverse scale individually : Monitor : The Orrey ; World Forger : The Dark Multiverse.
Fine.
It was mainly explained by Elaine Belloc that the creation adapts to Lucifer. And that's the point : the inability of Creation to adapt to Lucifer would cause its destruction. The point on the cosmology of Lucifer's creation may be contradicted by the fact that the term "Multiverse" was used by the same comic book writer, Mike Carey. Especially since the terms can be interchangeable like the term "cosmos" and "Creation". So I understand your point, but the fact that it is the same author (and not different writers who may have their own view), and who asserts that it is indeed a Multiverse, contradicts this point.
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