All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[numberthirty]

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Reporter Reveals Sexist Comments From MSNBC’s Chris Matthews

Journalist Laura Bassett has a theory on why the “Hardball” host defended Mike Bloomberg: because Matthews has been inappropriate to her, too. Maybe it's time for Matthews to be cut loose.

To me, it has always seemed like the guy is caught up in a "Roughly Late 1965..." sort of a mindset.

It is odd that he seems so unaware of folks around him. You'd think that he could get maybe get the clue just from that.

[Darkspellmaster]

Okay, so where are we standing here in regard to who would be the best in a debate against Trump? I heard Styer is out, and I'm guessing Klobachar is probably next to leave, and is it true that some one is putting out rumors saying that Mayor Pete wants all high school student to enlist for three years before going to college? Lots of mud slinging going on recently from fans of candidates.

[Superbat]

Has gone to Bernie.
One thing you all are not talking about is that the vetting of Sanders that has been going on since his second place in Iowa and his two wins. Are very liberal voters that different in SC, or has Sanders just lost their grip on them as they found out some uncomfortable truths about him?

The very liberal voters would have gone to Warren if this was about Bernie but instead they went to Biden. Bernie still had more of those voters than Warren by 15 points.

44% of voters that said they supported Medicare For All went to Biden, 29% went to Bernie and 8%. Biden also got 55% of voters that didn't support Medicare For All.

That's because South Carolina was Joe Biden's firewall. It wasn't because of vetting Bernie because new polls show him leading in other states.

[Steel Inquisitor]

I mean, I'm trying to talk to you about a lot of the history and details of communism and socialism that the vast majority of Americans overlook because all we can ever think about is the death tolls, but you obviously have no interest in this discussion and are just trying to trap me into saying something that sounds like I'm in favor of totalitarian dictators that just go around killing people for shits and giggles, and rather inartfully at that. But since you seem so insistent, yeah I AM in favor of cracking a few skulls every once in a while because without at least the threat of a violent uprising, there is no way that an entrenched elite class will ever willingly give up any of their wealth and power for the sake of benefiting the greater good. The billionaires not only control the means of production, they have pretty much also bought control of the media, the legislature, and the courts, and if we were to forsake any kind of political violence then we would really be throwing way what little leverage we had left. Some way, some how, the rich and powerful in this country need to be reminded that they are here to serve us, not the other way around, and if you want to continue asking them nicely and hoping that they will go along with our plans to reform the system to their detriment.

Which is getting off the original topic which began this discussion, which was - Sanders bringing up Castro in a good light while running for president. There are many subjects with nuance about socialism, but right now is not the time to do it since all it does is distract from your original argument that that Sanders did was good. I'm more then interested in discussion, juts not when its used to protect sanders from endorsing dictatorships.

I'm not "trapping you," that's the angle on socialism you made yourself by whitewashing the implications of what Sanders did.

Don't minimise what horrible things the Communist governments did to win an argument. It's pulling teeth trying to get you to acknowledge that they did Bad Things. Why wouldn't I be upset about trying to duplicate how their ideology? There's numerous governments who use socialist mechanisms who aren't left wing dictatorships, is it so hard to use them instead? Castro and Stalin are horrible, leave them buried where they belong.

All you'd do is institute your own dictatorship, and be back to square one.

[Kieran_Frost]

Saw this on Instagram and thought I'd post, as I find numbers interesting...

No# of deaths this year from Coronavirus - 2,765
No# of seasonal flu deaths LAST YEAR - 75,111
No# of people who died of hunger TODAY - 13,861

If this originated in France and not China (or any country with non-Caucasians as the predominant group) the panic wouldn't be half as big.

[Tami]

Okay, so where are we standing here in regard to who would be the best in a debate against Trump? I heard Styer is out, and I'm guessing Klobachar is probably next to leave, and is it true that some one is putting out rumors saying that Mayor Pete wants all high school student to enlist for three years before going to college? Lots of mud slinging going on recently from fans of candidates.

Warren is the best debater, she'd have no trouble verbally smacking his hand with a ruler. However, short of winning nearly every race on Super Tuesday I don't see her wining the primary.

Biden has trouble speaking, something Trump is likely to take advantage of. then again, compared to Trump's rambling and incoherence, almost anyone can do better and Biden isn't easily intimidated.

Sanders, all I can say is him and Trump would be like two old men wagging fingers at each other. Sanders gets red-faced and Trump gets reddish-orange faced, they both try to talk or yell above each other and the whole thing might be a mess. At least that is how I predict a debate between them to go.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Warren is the best debater, she'd have no trouble verbally smacking his hand with a ruler. However, short of winning nearly every race on Super Tuesday I don't see her wining the primary.

Biden has trouble speaking, something Trump is likely to take advantage of. then again, compared to Trump's rambling and incoherence, almost anyone can do better and Biden isn't easily intimidated.

Sanders, all I can say is him and Trump would be like two old men wagging fingers at each other. Sanders gets red-faced and Trump gets reddish-orange faced, they both try to talk or yell above each other and the whole thing might be a mess. At least that is how I predict a debate between them to go.

Everything you said was spot on. Warren would destroy Trump who is easily intimidated by strong, forceful women, but yeah, at this point, she has no chance to catching Biden or Sanders. Biden isn’t a master debater by any stretch of the imagination and watching Sanders in ranting old man mode would be a train wreck.

[numberthirty]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...-jesse-jackson

The important word in ‘democratic socialism’ is ‘democratic’

[Superbat]

Debates with Trump don't matter.

Hillary won every debate against him but she still lost the election.

[The Darknight Detective]

Everything you said was spot on. Warren would destroy Trump

Maybe, but how would she react to being called Pocahontas throughout the debate?

[Tami]

Saw this on Instagram and thought I'd post, as I find numbers interesting...

No# of deaths this year from Coronavirus - 2,765
No# of seasonal flu deaths THIS YEAR - 75,111
No# of people who died of hunger TODAY - 13,861

If this originated in France and not China (or any country with non-Caucasians as the predominant group) the panic wouldn't be half as big.

This year? Not likely. The CDC has 34,157 deaths from influenza during the 2018-2019 influenza season. The numbers aren't out yet for the 2019-2020 season since it isn't over yet. But the number should be around the same.

The thing about COVID-19 is that it is far more contagious than Influenza.

Note that the number for Influenza was for an entire year.

For just the last two months since the outbreak began, China has had at least 2838 deaths from COVID-19. In addition, there have been at least 86 deaths in other countries and the number keeps growing.

There is no clear idea how long this outbreak will last, but if it lasts even half of the year the estimate could go between 8 to 10 Thousand deaths. If each country hit by COVID-19 sees a spread rate like China, that number could go much higher. We're talking 8-10 thousand per country for just 6 months.

It's too soon to tell how bad it might get. But whenever something is highly contagious, there should always be room for concern.

[Tami]

Maybe, but how would she react to being called Pocahontas throughout the debate?

That doesn't faze her anymore. She'd have a response to it that would shut Trump down hard. And she doesn't get emotional like Sanders does.

Voters are missing out by voting for Sanders over Warren. It's like competing in an archery contest and shooting your arrow in your opponents target. Sanders winning the primary can only help Trump.

[Billy Batson]

Maybe, but how would she react to being called Pocahontas throughout the debate?

Yeah, Trump would hammer that thing down every chance he could get.

[Tami]

Yeah, Trump would hammer that thing down every chance he could get.

And that is all he has on her. With Sanders, he'd be calling him a Commie. Crazy Bernie, and then he'd get creative.

[Steel Inquisitor]

That doesn't faze her anymore. She'd have a response to it that would shut Trump down hard. And she doesn't get emotional like Sanders does.

Voters are missing out by voting for Sanders over Warren. It's like competing in an archery contest and shooting your arrow in your opponents target. Sanders winning the primary can only help Trump.

The Sanders that's a fighter isn't that impressive from what we've seen in debates so far. You'd think he'd be the one leading the attack on Bloomberg but no, it was Warren who did that hard work. How's he supposed to destroy Trump in the debates when he needs Warren to soften up Bloomberg for him?