What's the worst retcon you've read?

[Iron Fist]

Adult Bobby still dates women, so just because his younger self now in the future is gay doesn't make the adult version gay.

Repressed gay people date women, it's kinda part of being repressed.

Both versions are gay.

[Nomads1]

I think he was outed before that by his sister (Aurora) in the original run of Alpha Flight within the first 12 issues, where she mentions he has always preferred the company of men.

That "old friend' of his that Deadly Earnest kills (AF 7&8) was screamimgly obvious.

Peace

[Starleafgirl]

There must've been a lotta crappy retcons over the years if this topic could go 11 pages without (as far as I could tell) mentioning...

The "Truth" About Penance!





That's just one tiny bit of it, but Larry Hama basically screwed up the entire St. Croix family in one go and tried his darndest to retcon Penance as an actual mutant being (which has thankfully been ignored super-hard by every writer of Penance/Hollow since). It just screwed with so much Generation X history for Monet and Penance.

[Adam-X]

There must've been a lotta crappy retcons over the years if this topic could go 11 pages without (as far as I could tell) mentioning...
The "Truth" About Penance!
That's just one tiny bit of it, but Larry Hama basically screwed up the entire St. Croix family in one go and tried his darndest to retcon Penance as an actual mutant being (which has thankfully been ignored super-hard by every writer of Penance/Hollow since). It just screwed with so much Generation X history for Monet and Penance.

Is that a retcon or just horrible story telling? Because it never (I don't remember so I could be wrong) revealed the "truth" about Penance before this, correct?

That "old friend' of his that Deadly Earnest kills (AF 7&8) was screamimgly obvious.
Peace

Yes. Another clue. They were everywhere in the original run during Bryne's time.

[Kuwagaton]

Penance, I just ignore that story.

Are you very sure about that?
Because being gay in 2002 America or 2015 America, that seems like a collosal difference to me.

I'm totally certain, but I will admit that my experience in my neck of the woods (or necks, since I have lived in many different cities and neighborhoods) has no bearing on the life of anyone else.

[Montressor]

Since reality is somewhat 'fluid' in these universes we visit, I have personally retconned a few stories out of existence in my own personal view of any fictional universe. Gwen Stacy never slept with Osborne, there are no super-aged kids. New52 Batman has operated, as have all the characters, for 9-10 years, at least. I've retconned the Hal Jordan Spectre completely away, and Constantine's introduction during Moore's Swamp Thing still stands, unchanged (though I suppose that's true in-continuity, given Convergence).

[Odd Rödney]

The Magneto-as-Xorn-was-really-Xorn-here's-his-cousin-lulz thing.

Yeah, this. No doubt. A Shockingly bad idea executed horribly.

[Myetche]

Ms. Marvel #9, when it's revealed that all the incredible shapeshifting that Kamala had been doing up to then was apparently not supposed to be part of her powers. It was a result of her having too much energy in her body when she Terrigenesized, and her healing factor had been burning off the excess. So now all she can do is stretch her limbs.

Maybe I was reading too deep into it, but seeing as how Kamala has since done nothing more advanced than a Hulk Hand-punch when before she was turning into things like mannequins and sofas, it feels like someone in Marvel just doesn't like superheroic shapeshifters

[mysterio1989]

Original Sin, One more day, Avengers Disassembled, Guardians Original Sin and One moment in time

[Omega Alpha]

The worse retain I can think of, which I don't know if it will even count (hoping not) is what Remender did in volume 2 of Uncanny Avengers making Wanda and Pietro not be the children of Magneto. If it holds true post Secret Wars then in my opinion it destroys the whole relationship between them. I'm hoping Marvel forgets it and never lets Remender write anything for them again.

And you think it was Remender's idea, not Marvel being petty due to movie rights? Oh, my sweet summer child...

[Star_Jammer]

Avengers: Disassembled, leading into House of M, was some of the worst "pulled-out-of-my-arse" retcon "story-telling" bullshit I've had to endure as a comics fan. Blatantly ignoring aspects about a character just to fit your "new narrative" is not craftsmanship.

[Starleafgirl]

Is that a retcon or just horrible story telling? Because it never (I don't remember so I could be wrong) revealed the "truth" about Penance before this, correct?

Well... They never had a specific story that spelled everything out, but the previews stated Penance was a 14-year-old Yugoslavian girl, the narration around her was all meant to imply she's deaf, then Emplate called her Yvette, and Monet St. Croix was really just twin eight-year-old girls combined to form a 16-year-old girl.

When the retcon(s) came down, Yvette became one of Monet's middle names, there was a "real" Monet trapped inside Penance, who was born in Bosnia (hence the Eastern European origin), and Penance really wasn't deaf merely silent. She was suddenly some sort of magical construct made to punish Monet for rejecting Emplate's offer to rule by his side, instead of the completely separate mutant taken captive by Emplate years before the events of "Generation X."

I feel like a lot of things were retconned off their original paths in one fell swoop. Including the idea behind the name "Penance" -- whereas previously, it was a word uttered by Gateway to explain that rescuing the girl was his "penance" for his part in the slaughter of Emma's previous students, it was now supposed to be something that Emplate said as he was trapping Monet in the form of Penance. Technically, it's both, but the whole Larry Hama thing is so awful in the way it tried to create a new origin for the name. Not that it matters now, because some later writer decided he wanted to use it for Bleedball.

Sorry for bitter fan rantings. ;P

Penance, I just ignore that story.

As should everyone else... it's just the worst, in my admittedly biased opinion. XD

And you think it was Remender's idea, not Marvel being petty due to movie rights? Oh, my sweet summer child...

It was definitely some editorially-mandated bullsh*t, lol. As much as I love to blame Remender for every awful thing he writes, I've got to think this -- or some version of this -- would've happened no matter who was chosen to write the story.

[Coppertheft]

Part of this post was deleted by someone else, so I'm gonna go ahead and delete the rest.

How dare I have opinions of my own. For shame me, for shame.

[Mutant God]

Repressed gay people date women, it's kinda part of being repressed.

Both versions are gay.

Nope neither are gay

[Marvel/DC Fan]

I get a kick out of how people argue that Iceman has always been a repressed gay male. He was clearly straight up until Bendis wrote that story. But hey it is comics and they can change things however they want. If they really wanted to do something like say, make Hulk and Wolverine a married couple they could do it. It is pretty funny to me anyways, when people throw a hissy fit over the sexuality of their funnybook characters.