All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[SquirrelMan]

Apparently their song Do the right thing was the theme song to the movie. So that's what number 30 is referring to, I think.

Fight the Power.
"Do the right thing" was a white bread, feel good song that pop rapper Redhead Kingpin offered to Spike Lee for the soundtrack, but Spike just looked at him for three minutes, then shook his head.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

We'll see just how off those polls are.

They won't be that off. Biden has barely been in California and has like one office there. He's been struggling for money for awhile.

RCP has Bernie at 34%, 17.3%, and Biden at 13%. If he won California it would probably go down as one of the greatest primary upsets in history.

[SquirrelMan]

They won't be that off. Biden has barely been in California and has like one office there. He's been struggling for money for awhile.

RCP has Bernie at 34%, 17.3%, and Biden at 13%. If he won California it would probably go down as one of the greatest primary upsets in history.

What does his California organization to do with Utah?

Polling a Democratic primary in a deep red state as unique as Utah just isn't an easy task.

[Kieran_Frost]

Here's the difference. Say everyone on his thread donates to the same candidate. You all donate the max donation. However I'm rich and I create a superpac and get that candidate 20 million dollars. Now that candidate is in office. My business needs tax breaks, you all don't want my business to have tax breaks because you feel it is unfair. Guess who they are going to listen to?

You still need people to vote for them. Bloomberg is a classic example of how money doesn't ALWAYS talk. And it's assuming people only give money for nefarious reasons, rather than actually believing in the candidate. I really don't see how $50 million is "fairer" than $25 million. I just don't. Ultimately the advantage is with who has THE MOST money, not who got the largest lump sum in one go.

and, there's the problem.
If the person with the most money got that money from small donations made by individual Americans but you don't see the difference?
There's a serious lack of insight into how Americans view United States politics there.

In the nicest possible way America elected Trump, so I'm not too sad if I'm not aligning with their views on how politics should be done (I mean in my life time TWO presidents have gotten in without winning the public vote, what's that about???)

Sanders would like to trump your cap on election spending. So, it feels kind of like you might be more of Sanders supporter than you might suspect.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-out-of-politics/

We also agree on abortion. I'd be surprised to find any candidate I couldn't find one policy with which I don't agree. Doesn't make us simpatico. I will also add... while Sanders continues to spend more money than the others, to me, it feels like "one rule for him, one for the others". If he believed in fairness he'd stop spending till the others catch-up.

I think there should be a cap, a LOW cap. And once you hit it... pffff. You can't spend anymore (or accept any donations of any kind, including posters, flyers, transport, nothing). Would make a much fairer race, more about issues than money.

[Billy Batson]

We'll see just how off those polls are.

Uh huh. Doesn't help that Biden hasn't been in any super Tuesday state in over a month and has only spent six figures on his ad campaign

[Billy Batson]

I could be wrong... BUT... I only recognize the "fight the power" part as ringing any bells. Is this the segment of song Robin Williams is singing with his son at the birthday party at the start of Mrs Doubtfire?


I recognise that name, he did the Art of War. He's not a good man, but he's certainly a smart man. So I'll take the odd compliment

Oh wow .

[SquirrelMan]

All the Democratic presidential candidates, except for Bernie Sanders, are in Selma today for 55th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. Rally outside Brown Chapel AME Church. https://t.co/tsOk0twLSA

Has Bernie given up on black voters after they rejected him in South Carolina?

[numberthirty]

You still need people to vote for them. Bloomberg is a classic example of how money doesn't ALWAYS talk. And it's assuming people only give money for nefarious reasons, rather than actually believing in the candidate. I really don't see how $50 million is "fairer" than $25 million. I just don't. Ultimately the advantage is with who has THE MOST money, not who got the largest lump sum in one go.

Again...

Seriously look into how lobbyists have practically written laws that govern The United States.

You can safely assume that corporate donations in America have something nefarious behind them.

[Mister Mets]

They won't be that off. Biden has barely been in California and has like one office there. He's been struggling for money for awhile.

RCP has Bernie at 34%, 17.3%, and Biden at 13%. If he won California it would probably go down as one of the greatest primary upsets in history.

However if Biden were to do a little better, it would matter a lot in terms of the 415 delegates in play in California.

Biden at 13% gets delegates in a handful of districts, as Sanders gets a lot closer to the 1,991 needed to get a majority of delegates.

Biden at 20% gets delegates all over the state, and keeps Sanders from running away with it.

There are other questions in the delegate math, as Warren and Bloomberg have support that's pretty close to what Biden has.

It's also going to take a long time to determine how many delegates were won, as California allows for voting by mail, as long as it's in the mail by election day.

[PwrdOn]

All the Democratic presidential candidates, except for Bernie Sanders, are in Selma today for 55th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. Rally outside Brown Chapel AME Church. https://t.co/tsOk0twLSA

Has Bernie given up on black voters after they rejected him in South Carolina?

Honest question - who do you actually support?

[Kieran_Frost]

Again...

Seriously look into how lobbyists have practically written laws that govern The United States.

You can safely assume that corporate donations in America have something nefarious behind them.

And bribery under the table once they're in office, and political strong-arming from other politicians who are funded by x, y and z, and yadda yadda. It comes from all angles, and there are a great many ways politicians can make 'deals' and 'agreements' in the run-up that aren't necessarily monetary in support. I'm sorry, I don't see the problem (or to phrase it a different way I don't see why THIS specific problem trumps all other problems of corruption that cynically you could say is an inevitable consequence for nearly all politicians across the board). One could argue ANY promise of "a better life" for the voters is a bribe. So if the voters are giving donations on these promises, they are expecting this 'deal' to be made in a kind of contract. I certainly felt Corbyn promising to erase all student debt was a giant BRIBE to students during the election in 2017 (one he admitted the week after the election they wouldn't have been able to do). You vote for me, I erase your debt, etc, etc.

I don't see how $50 million in spending is "fairer" than $25 million. And the fact everyone keeps avoiding that question and dancing round it... tells me all I need to know.

RCP has Bernie at 34%, 17.3%, and Biden at 13%. If he won California it would probably go down as one of the greatest primary upsets in history.

Who's the 17.3%?

Oh wow .

What?

[Billy Batson]

What?

Confusing Sun Tzu with Mao

[numberthirty]

...

I don't see how $50 million in spending is "fairer" than $25 million. And the fact everyone keeps avoiding that question and dancing round it... tells me all I need to know.

Put in the simplest terms...

The fifty million coming from a bunch of regular "Janes"/"Joes" is fair because it gives those people a potential say that far less people making up the twenty-five million can buy every single time.

[Darkspellmaster]

Took me a second to realise you meant numberthirty, I'm so used to seeing it like that, I was confused and looking back for post 30, wondering "how is their browser labelling this???" HA!

Yeah, sorry. I'm writing on my phone, so I have to shorten when I'm riding in the car. But yes, numberthirty is who I was referring to.

Short answer: nope.

Long answer, what do you think?

Ohhhh, do you happen to remember what is was called (and more importantly, can I watch it on Netflix ).

Cant recall the name but it was on Al Jazeer's 101 East series. They were covering aspects of certain factories, and one guy was saying that they did try to do a union, but the government was cracking down on that.

Fight the Power.
"Do the right thing" was a white bread, feel good song that pop rapper Redhead Kingpin offered to Spike Lee for the soundtrack, but Spike just looked at him for three minutes, then shook his head.

Thank you! Typed it wrong.

All the Democratic presidential candidates, except for Bernie Sanders, are in Selma today for 55th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. Rally outside Brown Chapel AME Church. https://t.co/tsOk0twLSA

Has Bernie given up on black voters after they rejected him in South Carolina?

****, dude should be out there, but I guess that he's betting on Cali.

[numberthirty]

As for the whole "Promise Of A Better Life..." bribe that John/Jane Public are supposed to be paying some kind of a bribe for?

- Look at the cost of Insulin in The United States for the last twenty years.


The idea is just kind of laughable if you try to stack it up against what corporations have got for their political spending.