Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[Rang10]

Probably Joanna in Age of X , in a goodway lol, they were the ultimate power couple

There isnt rape in a good way.

It was a AU, so no rape

[Ambaryerno]

Kitty and Peter didn't start dating when he was under age though. He was either legally of age already if not a bit older.

Irrelevant. The exclusion still exists. It may have been created with this situation in mind, but it's not exclusive TO it. Incidentally, New York (where the age of consent is 17) is one of the states that has a "Romeo and Juliet Law" like this. Since Kitty and Peter were within four years of one another, their relationship was completely legal even though Peter was 18.

[Rev9]

There isnt rape in a good way.

It was a AU, so no rape

Well everyone was role playing literally in that pocket universe so close enough. However dark Cyclops was in that role ,Joanna really wanted that 'life' even after it was over. Her fantasy was fulfilled whatever it was, explicit or implicit

[frostedemma]

Many states have EXCLUSIONS so long as both partners are within a certain age range of one another. This is to protect couples who are both under 18 when they START dating, but the older partner "ages out." I believe here in MO there's about a 5 year window.

Actually both exist. Romeo and Juliet laws are for someone who 18-19 dating a 16-17 years old, an 18-19 years old being caught sleeping with a 14 years old is very much going to jail lol. And even if it was "legal", laws =/ morality, that **** is wrong and gross, period. Jim Shooter was right to shut it down.

[Will Evans]

Collossus was 18 and Kitty was 13. But they didn’t start dating until she was 14 if I remember correctly.


Still for the early 80s, that’s not bad at all.

I remember teen girls going out with older men way older than 19, during that time frame.

Most people didn’t make a big deal about it then.

[lunarmagik]

Taking the legality of it doesn't make it right, and even so if we take into consideration the laws a 18yo would still go to jail as frostedemma pointed so.

It's not an okay relationship lmao, he's a young adult, she's barely at the start of her teens. It doesn't matter if 40 years ago we thought it was okay, 40 years ago they were wrong.

[frostedemma]

Actually Kitty and Colosus had plenty in common. Dont act like they had the typical teenage experience

Just because Kitty was an X-man at a young age doesn't change her brain development or the fact that she was literally a 14 years old child. As a matter of fact Kitty very much acted like a 14 years old despite being a full time superhero.

Was it confirmed he was 18 for sure? Or is he slightly older? Because the All New X-Men had been together for at least a year in-universe before meeting Kitty and he reads as at least 18 from the beginning. He's the baby of the group, but still more of an adult than Kitty.

It was a high school senior who already fathered a child in the Savage Land by this point.



Kitty and Peter didn't start dating when he was under age though. He was either legally of age already if not a bit older.

Let's not forget that he said to Wolverine that he could have been married to Kitty and raising a family "by now" if they were in Russia. "By now" being when she was 14.

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-kitty-pryd...y-backstory/2/

Again, if she'd been even 16-17 at this point it would be a little easier to swallow. Or if he had been that age when he started dating her at 14.

Piotr was said to be the same age as Ororo and she was 18-19 years old when Kitty came along. I don't know why people are bending over backward to defend this. At the end of the day Colossus is a fictional character and it was the writers who were trying to push a weird predatory relationship and it's a good thing it got shut down. DoFP was an alternate time where we only ever saw them as adults so there was no issue with them being married, in the 616 timeline Kitty was entering teenhood and having a childhood crush on the guy who was kind to her while she was having a (understandingly) hard time adjusting to her new environment, Piotr pursing a romantic relationship with Kitty would be textbook grooming. It's honestly a good thing it got shut down by an editorial.

Side note but that line about Piotr and Kitty being married by now if they had been in Russia is so funny because not they wouldn't. One of the good things about Soviet Russia is that it liberated women, including banning child marriages.

[sunofdarkchild]

It wasn't considered ok in those days in the US. The way the comics explained it, Colossus came from a culture where they could have been married at that point. I don't know if the Soviet Union was really like that, but for most of human history kids got married in their early teens, and often to much older people, without anyone batting an eye. 2 of my ancestors got married at 13 in the mid-1800s. Both sides were equally ridiculously young instead of one being much older than the other, but that was the world they lived in at the time. By our standards it was wrong, but in the culture Colossus grew up in it was apparently normal. Sailor Moon has a similar issue where the male lead is 19 and in college while the female lead is 14 and still in middle school. I think they made him 17 in the English dub.

[frostedemma]

Actually Kitty and Colosus had plenty in common. Dont act like they had the typical teenage experience

Was it confirmed he was 18 for sure? Or is he slightly older? Because the All New X-Men had been together for at least a year in-universe before meeting Kitty and he reads as at least 18 from the beginning. He's the baby of the group, but still more of an adult than Kitty.

It was a high school senior who already fathered a child in the Savage Land by this point.



Kitty and Peter didn't start dating when he was under age though. He was either legally of age already if not a bit older.

Let's not forget that he said to Wolverine that he could have been married to Kitty and raising a family "by now" if they were in Russia. "By now" being when she was 14.

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-kitty-pryd...y-backstory/2/

Again, if she'd been even 16-17 at this point it would be a little easier to swallow. Or if he had been that age when he started dating her at 14.

Collossus was 18 and Kitty was 13. But they didn’t start dating until she was 14 if I remember correctly.


Still for the early 80s, that’s not bad at all.

I remember teen girls going out with older men way older than 19, during that time frame.

Most people didn’t make a big deal about it then.

Nah an 18-19 dating an 13 years old would still raise eyebrows in the 80's. While it was more or less "ok" for guys in their 20's to date "barely legal" girls, it didn't fly with 13-15 years old girls and a lot of rockstar would face backlash and criticism for sleeping with 13-15 years old groupies. Like the 80's weren't that long ago.

[frostedemma]

It wasn't considered ok in those days in the US. The way the comics explained it, Colossus came from a culture where they could have been married at that point. I don't know if the Soviet Union was really like that, but for most of human history kids got married in their early teens, and often to much older people, without anyone batting an eye. 2 of my ancestors got married at 13 in the mid-1800s. Both sides were equally ridiculously young instead of one being much older than the other, but that was the world they lived in at the time. By our standards it was wrong, but in the culture Colossus grew up in it was apparently normal. Sailor Moon has a similar issue where the male lead is 19 and in college while the female lead is 14 and still in middle school. I think they made him 17 in the English dub.

In pre Soviet Russia it would have been okay since Russia was a backward serfdom society pre-revolution, but during the soviet era and especially during the 80's it wouldn't be accepted. I was just mentioning it because I found it funny and another example about how americans were misinformed about Russia during the cold war.

[Havok83]

Nah an 18-19 dating an 13 years old would still raise eyebrows in the 80's. While it was more or less "ok" for guys in their 20's to date "barely legal" girls, it didn't fly with 13-15 years old girls and a lot of rockstar would face backlash and criticism for sleeping with 13-15 years old groupies. Like the 80's weren't that long ago.

They werent having sex! The relationship was like 2 months and the most we ever saw them do was kiss. There wasnt even any sex implied between them. They didnt consumate until years later as adults. The relationship in the context that it was presented was rather innocent and not as nefarious as you are making it out to be

[yogaflame]

Was it confirmed he was 18 for sure?

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This is just before the Brood saga. Piotr was probably 16 in Giant Size #1. He was the baby of that group, younger than Iceman.

[frostedemma]

They werent having sex! The relationship was like 2 months and the most we ever saw them do was kiss. There wasnt even any sex implied between them. They didnt consumate until years later as adults. The relationship in the context that it was presented was rather innocent and not as nefarious as you are making it out to be

You keep mentioning they weren't having sex as if that suddenly makes the relationship ok. It's good that the relationship wasn't sexual and we all know it wasn't, but it still makes the relationship wrong lmao. Just because it wasn't has bad as it could of been doesn't make it right either. There's no such thing as an "innocent" romantic relationship between an adult and a 13-14 years old girl lol.

You are aware that not everyone on the sex offender registry had sexual relations with their victims right? A lot of groomers and predators precisely don't have any sort of sexual contact with their victims as a line of defence, so that when the age gap and age of consent is brought up they can see "we never had sex! this is a pure and innocent relationship and you're the one being perverted and sexualising it".

[Havok83]

You keep mentioning they weren't having sex as if that suddenly makes the relationship ok. It's good that the relationship wasn't sexual and we all know it wasn't, but it still makes the relationship wrong lmao. Just because it wasn't has bad as it could of been doesn't make it right either. There's no such thing as an "innocent" romantic relationship between an adult and a 13-14 years old girl lol.

You are aware that not everyone on the sex offender registry had sexual relations with their victims right? A lot of groomers and predators precisely don't have any sort of sexual contact with their victims as a line of defence, so that when the age gap and age of consent is brought up they can see "we never had sex! this is a pure and innocent relationship and you're the one being perverted and sexualising it".

I dont see Piotr as a sexual predator.

[frostedemma]

I dont see Piotr as a sexual predator.

Did we not have a lengthy discussion in this very thread about how characters like Emma, Mystique and etc aren't actual rapist but comic writers don't take rape by deception seriously and use it as a plot device? This is the exact same thing.