Punisher and Jessica Jones Canceled

[Theleviathan]

Be prepared, the Iron Fist crapfest of bad writing continues in Defenders. It was hard to finish even 6 episodes it was so putrid.

[Immortal Weapon]

Season 2 of Iron Fist is a big step up. It focuses less on the company and more on Danny's exploits on the street, extends on the mythology of L'un K'un, actually get some flashbacks set there and the fight choreography is a lot better.

[Kirby101]

Be prepared, the Iron Fist crapfest of bad writing continues in Defenders. It was hard to finish even 6 episodes it was so putrid.

Is that the general opinion? Is Defenders not worthwhile?

Season 2 of Iron Fist is a big step up. It focuses less on the company and more on Danny's exploits on the street, extends on the mythology of L'un K'un, actually get some flashbacks set there and the fight choreography is a lot better.

And on this, is IF S2 better?

[Midvillian1322]

Is that the general opinion? Is Defenders not worthwhile?


And on this, is IF S2 better?

I liked Defenders but it wasnt as good as the best solo stuff. Weak Villians but the character interaction were worth it for me.

S2 of Iron fist was alot better but for me still meh

[Kirby101]

Thanks Mid. I'll give defenders a try, maybe hold off IF S2 until I finish the rest.

[TheRay]

There is nothing I can add to this that has not already been said, but getting a Punisher series at all was a blessing.

[Theleviathan]

Is that the general opinion? Is Defenders not worthwhile?

I think it was generally received poorly. Far below the quality of DD and the first season of JJ.

[Kirby101]

Finished Defenders. It was fun. I did like the interactions of the heroes and the more straighforward, faster paced story.
Some surprises, and a couple of deaths I didn't see coming. Not sure what Matt's plane was at the end.
Convince Electra she was good so they could die together?
Danny again shows himself to be largely a dolt who keeps saying he knows what he is doing, but doesn't know jack.
Yes, not up to the best of the other shows, but better than IF S1 and at least as good as LC S1.

[XPac]

Finished Defenders. It was fun. I did like the interactions of the heroes and the more straighforward, faster paced story.
Some surprises, and a couple of deaths I didn't see coming. Not sure what Matt's plane was at the end.
Convince Electra she was good so they could die together?
Danny again shows himself to be largely a dolt who keeps saying he knows what he is doing, but doesn't know jack.
Yes, not up to the best of the other shows, but better than IF S1 and at least as good as LC S1.

Yeah, Defenders wasn't great but it was fun.

And yeah, Danny didn't still came off as somewhat unlikeable. Though again, how he's written does get better post Defenders.

[TheRay]

It looks like the same decision that cost us these shows also took Santa Clarita Diet out.

[OpaqueGiraffe17]

Just saw Engame. Uh spoilers but the ending made me wonder
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if the 5 year post-snap time jump had anything to do with the cancellations. I mean, these shows tried to pay lip service to the going ons of the MCU. But it tried to be their own thing. That would have been impossible after endgame. The ramifications and fallout would have been too big. They’d either have to do the time jump, or have them take place in the 5 years where half the universe died. Or ignore it and drop MCU connections.

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[Emperor-of-Dragons]

Just saw Engame. Uh spoilers but the ending made me wonder
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if the 5 year post-snap time jump had anything to do with the cancellations. I mean, these shows tried to pay lip service to the going ons of the MCU. But it tried to be their own thing. That would have been impossible after endgame. The ramifications and fallout would have been too big. They’d either have to do the time jump, or have them take place in the 5 years where half the universe died. Or ignore it and drop MCU connections.

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All of that's moot, cause Marvel Studios don't give a **** about the shows that aren't a spinoff from the movies.

[OpaqueGiraffe17]

All of that's moot, cause Marvel Studios don't give a **** about the shows that aren't a spinoff from the movies.

Sure, but having watched my fair share of these shows, I can very much imagine them not wanting to deal with Endgame fallout. It’s not too much of a stretch to see that being a factor in these shows getting cancelled.

[TheRay]

It just goes to show that if the Netflix model really is the future, you simply won't have that many long running tv series. This isn't totally problematic, but (nearly?) all of the Marvel Netflix shows ended on promising another season, so its going to lead to a lot of series that have no conclusions, which I'm not a fan of.

Most series' do not get conclusions, though, as a result of being axed unexpectedly. None on this sort of scale, but it becomes difficult to cover every single loose end before a season comes to an end once world building really kicks in. It is kind of why the UK has the idea to do mini-series, I just am not a huge fan of them because they don't feel like they get to go far enough.

[Emperor-of-Dragons]

Sure, but having watched my fair share of these shows, I can very much imagine them not wanting to deal with Endgame fallout. It’s not too much of a stretch to see that being a factor in these shows getting cancelled.

They were canceled primarily due to industry politics tho. They were doomed regardless of their quality.