I always thought Jay was lightspeed....
I always thought Jay was lightspeed....
There may be one in post crisis era. But I certainly wouldnt grant light speed status to Jay based on a singular showing when the majority of his top end performances post crisis are near light.
And even then, light speed doesn't automatically grant status as consistent, accurate time traveler. See action comics 591.
"Sir, does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?"
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"One of the maddening but beautiful things about comics is that you have to give characters a sense of change without changing them so much that they violate the essence of who they are." ~ Ann Nocenti, Chris Claremont's X-Men.
"Sir, does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?"
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"One of the maddening but beautiful things about comics is that you have to give characters a sense of change without changing them so much that they violate the essence of who they are." ~ Ann Nocenti, Chris Claremont's X-Men.
So let me get this straight :
1. Jay and Rival almost entered speed force which is only possible at lightspeed
2. Jay was running at near lightspeed without entering speed force
3. The writer of the comic wrote a profile which says he can run at lightspeed
4. He is shown having an entire conversation in nanoseconds
Yet he is not lightspeed. This is absurd.
A retelling of a pre crisis story when Jay was younger
To be precise, in his own words he could not reach lightspeed, just approach it2. Jay was running at near lightspeed without entering speed force
https://i.postimg.cc/tTVmcxJM/RCO007.jpg
Statements aren't feats, least of all guidebook type statements. And even this statement is qualified with "Jay finds it harder as he is older"3. The writer of the comic wrote a profile which says he can run at lightspeed
Post crisis Jay is older. No wonder the only "feat"you can find is of a retelling of a pre-crisis young Jay story
By that logic, you don't even need to try to push the Superman cosmic treadmill argument since he can do stuff in attoseconds4. He is shown having an entire conversation in nanoseconds
Yet he is not lightspeed. This is absurd.
Or, writers dont usually get exactly how small these units of time are . Exhibit A
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/up...8388-u4cZM.png
Last edited by The Dork Knight; 07-02-2020 at 11:45 PM.
Go right ahead.
Whether or not you can enter the Speed Force at sub-luminal speeds, you yourself have just said they “almost” did it. Almost doing something is not actually doing something. See, mostly dead is still slightly alive.
At near lightspeed. Not at lightspeed or above lightspeed. He’s still only mostly dead.
Writers say a lot of things that aren’t true. One of them once attributed the title of most dangerous man on Earth to the Ten-Eyed Man. As I said earlier, these profile pieces, secret files etc are just guidebook entries by another name, and guidebooks are notoriously unreliable in their depiction / description of power levels. Which is why they’re not admissible as evidence in the Ancient Court of Rumbles Nerdology (the A.C.O.R.N., from which mighty oaks grow).
Oh, and that same scan also says that as he’s got older, Flash has found it increasingly difficult to achieve lightspeed.
So even if he could, which he can’t, he probably still couldn’t. Capeesh?
Some nanoseconds. Some. An unspecified number thereof. I am currently typing this post in nanoseconds, albeit a rather large number of them.
But l’m not going to insist on being flippant and disingenuous here. Let’s assume we’re talking a small-ish number of nanoseconds; certainly small enough to be less than 1000 and therefore not describable using the next prefix up for seconds, i.e. micro.
How would you describe the amount of time it takes to discuss a simple plan if you were the kind of person who could travel at a significant fraction of lightspeed, i.e. near-lightspeed?
It will be a number of nanoseconds.
No, this is the balance of evidence presented thus far. This is you not demonstrating lightspeed when you believe you have, and me (and others) trying to disabuse you of that misapprehension.
If you are able to find and show a number of irrefutable feats of lightspeed travel; preferably by more than one writer so that they demonstrate consistency with the character’s overall portrayal; I don’t think there’s anyone here that would refute that.
That would be churlish (and don’t call me churlish).
But you haven’t presented that evidence, so the balance of opinion remains unswayed.
Last edited by Beadle; 07-03-2020 at 12:00 AM.
Actually, you haven't. Again.
Nothing in the scans above that you submitted indicate they are running at or beyond light speed. As I said previously, Jay himself said he could not achieve the speed of light a few books later, same story.
JSA, vol. 1, 20.1 - Jay cannot exceed the speed of light.jpg
And this even after he absorbed Rival and his speed into himself. He still needed Black Adam's speed added to his own to achieve light speed.
"Sir, does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?"
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"One of the maddening but beautiful things about comics is that you have to give characters a sense of change without changing them so much that they violate the essence of who they are." ~ Ann Nocenti, Chris Claremont's X-Men.
Almost entering the speed force is not actually entering the speed force. Thank you for underscoring the fact that Jay never entered the speed force in the JSA story.
.2. Jay was running at near lightspeed without entering speed force
Correct, and in fact, presumably is why he did not enter the speed force in that story because he only achieved close to light speeds. See the difference between near light and actually achieving light speed? Or even surpassing it? Neither of them are the same.
Which counts for nothing on Rumbles threads. We do not use handbooks. Rumbles, basic rules. Read up.3. The writer of the comic wrote a profile which says he can run at lightspeed
To be clear, they all stood still and conversed in nano seconds. Around here, you actually have to move beyond 11.8 inches in the span of a single nano second to be considered FTL.4. He is shown having an entire conversation in nanoseconds
They stood still. And talked. Within the span of multiple nano seconds. Clearly, nothing to indicate light speed reactions.
One might draw the same conclusion about your arguments thus far as they don't add up to what you are pushing.Yet he is not lightspeed. This is absurd.
"Sir, does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?"
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"One of the maddening but beautiful things about comics is that you have to give characters a sense of change without changing them so much that they violate the essence of who they are." ~ Ann Nocenti, Chris Claremont's X-Men.
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Superfan90, you are failing to abide by the rules and standards of the Rumbles Board in this thread by continuingly citing profile writeups and author statements not supported by feats as evidence, as well as insisting a character is lightspeed capable when the feats and examples you point to actually don't prove that assertation at all.
I think it would be best if you stop participating in this thread. Cease posting on it.
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