Storm vs Storm

[ShepardOakenshieldPrime]

She already snuffed out his flame and beat him, he could've shot a nova blast but he wasn't willing to kill her, even if he was willing to do it now she could end it with one lightning bolt after she snuffs out his flame. I don't see him taking a majority when she can and has defended against his attacks but he can't do the same.

[The Arbiter]

She already snuffed out his flame and beat him, he could've shot a nova blast but he wasn't willing to kill her, even if he was willing to do it now she could end it with one lightning bolt after she snuffs out his flame. I don't see him taking a majority when she can and has defended against his attacks but he can't do the same.

I agree, she likely takes a solid majority in any sort of traditional fight. You know, with distance and terrain to slow things down and allow them to use more of their move sets.

But the Arena battlefield is such that neither of them have time to do much other than think "die!" and hope for the best.

Torch can essentially just explode where he's standing and get her for example if she tries anything other than striking him down in return.

[big_adventure]

Just a quick point: Johnny can release tremendous amounts of HEAT (as IR, as convection, as conduction) as well as FLAME. Flame might not be able to move all that quickly in many conditions, thanks to it needing to, you know, burn something, but heat in the form of IR energy actually moves at the speed of light, and that's VASTLY faster than lightning.

It again doesn't really make a difference to the result: the slow thing here is the reaction time of the users, not the propagation speed of their attacks. I would say Johnny has both more feats in general and better absolute high-end feats (such as melting bullets out of the air and such), but they are both pretty consistently "really damn fast for normal people" levels of speed, so... coin-flip.

[stormphoenix]

Ororo Munroe Storm should win pretty easy.

More versatile and has more ways to snuff out his flames before he can do anything people suggest he can do.

[Carabas]

Ororo Munroe Storm should win pretty easy.

More versatile and has more ways to snuff out his flames before he can do anything people suggest he can do.

The fastest way she has to snuff out his flames (that can burn in the vacuum of space) is a lightning bolt.
And he can fry her just about as quickly.

[stormphoenix]

The fastest way she has to snuff out his flames (that can burn in the vacuum of space) is a lightning bolt.
And he can fry her just about as quickly.

A Lightning Bolt isn’t the only way she can snuff out his flames. Storm has plenty of other attacks that can help. A heavy monsoon can be conjured up in the blink of an eye before Johnny can react. His flames have been stuffed out many times by attacks like these.

[big_adventure]

Seriously, Storm threads SUCK. Just saying.

Ororo has no real advantage over Johnny. She doesn't remotely have time to do anything except think "lightning bolt," while he's thinking "burn". It's the very definition of a quickdraw. And neither has any real definitive edge there.

[Username taken]

What if Storm hits Storm first?

[big_adventure]

I doubt that very much.
Storm will drop a heavy monsoon on the boy before he can react. His flames have been stuffed out many times by rain and wind and cold.

This would be the very stupidest thing she could do, if for no other reason then because water falls at the speed dictated by gravity and reduced by air resistance. She would be a charcoal briquet if she does anything other than go for the kill shot.

She needs to try to kill, and he does as well. If they both do so, it's about 50/50.

[Pendaran]

She already snuffed out his flame and beat him, he could've shot a nova blast but he wasn't willing to kill her, even if he was willing to do it now she could end it with one lightning bolt after she snuffs out his flame. I don't see him taking a majority when she can and has defended against his attacks but he can't do the same.

I've bolded a thing for emphasis because you guys have been rolling into the board whenever Storm is mentioned for a while now and it feels like it would be a bit considerate to look at how that board structures the debates it has instead of you guys ignoring it over and over every time you come here.

There's an FAQ at the top of the board for fight conditions for these discussions, amongst them is this, while it would be nice if you guys eyeballed it through, the particular bits that seem to keep tripping you up, aside from the idea of weighing any given showing for validity is this:

04. Bloodlust: It is assumed that each contestant in the arena will fight to his/her best ability. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is an established fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
04b. Bloodlust and moral codes: Bloodlust disables a character's morality regarding personal beliefs that would hinder their ability to win. Batman will use deadly force the arena if necessary.
04c. Bloodlust is not literal: While it is named bloodlust for the sake of being dramatic, Rumbles's bloodlust is simply an overwhelming desire to win, it does not turn characters into raging berserkers and render impotent those who require a sound mind.

PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman. PIS is always off on the Rumbles board, this is not modifiable by the opening poster.

Johnny can with a thought explode pretty much the area in which they are fighting, or certainly the area in which they are standing, there is no reason under these conditions that if he manages to use his powers first, he would not do this. He is not operating under any self imposed restraint. Going on and on about whatever particular power Storm has used or done doesn't particularly change this. This is why for instance people found the Storm/Crystal thread so exasperating.

By the same point, Storm can herself basically either devastate the area or use an auto targeting move of some stripe that would end Johnny, with a thought. That is why people keep saying this fight is basically just "who uses their powers first", at that point the other person is dead. As neither of them have reflexes particularly beyond each other, it reduces things to a coin flip. Whoever thinks first wins.

I know the immediate reflex is to start listing a whole bunch of things Storm can do with her powers to talk about how powerful she is and what have you, but, again, that's not really what matters in a fight where two people who can kill each other just by thinking, are going to try to use those moves at fight start. In those conditions, the only thing that matters then is who thinks first.

[Pendaran]

A Lightning Bolt isn’t the only way she can snuff out his flames. Storm has plenty of other attacks that can help. A heavy monsoon can be conjured up in the blink of an eye before Johnny can react. His flames have been stuffed out many times by attacks like these.

Why would she be able to do this before Johnny can react? All he has to do to nova flame the area is think. That's it. What would stop that from being what happens let's say.. 50% of the time?

[stormphoenix]

This would be the very stupidest thing she could do, if for no other reason then because water falls at the speed dictated by gravity and reduced by air resistance. She would be a charcoal briquet if she does anything other than go for the kill shot.

She needs to try to kill, and he does as well. If they both do so, it's about 50/50.

Then Johnny is a fool to try and fight Storm. Storm has every advantage over Johnny that’s a claim I find ridiculous. He won’t even be able to protect himself if he every got caught in a vortex of wind or large amounts of air pressure which beat him once before.

Seriously, Storm threads SUCK. Just saying.

Ororo has no real advantage over Johnny. She doesn't remotely have time to do anything except think "lightning bolt," while he's thinking "burn". It's the very definition of a quickdraw. And neither has any real definitive edge there.

Then don’t post in Storm threads seems easy enough.

[stormphoenix]

Why would she be able to do this before Johnny can react? All he has to do to nova flame the area is think. That's it. What would stop that from being what happens let's say.. 50% of the time?

Storms powers have been many times activated before her opponents can react. The moment he says flame on he would be doused out in seconds. She will stop his flames about 80% of them time.

[Pendaran]

Then Johnny is a fool to try and fight Storm. Storm has every advantage over Johnny that’s a claim I find ridiculous. He won’t even be able to protect himself if he every got caught in a vortex of wind or large amounts of air pressure which beat him once before.

Why would any of that matter if at fight start the Human Torch nova flames the entire fighting ground?

[Pendaran]

Storms powers have been many times activated before her opponents can react. The moment he says flame on he would be doused out in seconds. She will stop his flames about 80% of them time.

He doesn't need to say "Flame on!" to nova flame. He just explodes.