Storm >>> APPRECIATION <<<

[RLAAMJR.]

@rutog
http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/he...ra-x-men-gold/

Marc Guggenheim:*One of my all-time favorite X-Men stories—believe it or not—was X-MEN UNLIMITED #1, written by Scott Lobdell. I wanted to place the X-Men in a similar position, where the plot is brutally simplistic: survive. The result is one of my favorite issues of GOLD so far—but, like I said, I leave it up to the readers to decide.

So it sounds like Storm will lead the team toget out of the planet.

[Omegarogue]

Well although I understand the discomfort of some because Storm can not access their powers, with a somewhat illogical excuse, but we must see the positive side, Storm is an excellent physical fighter, and we rarely see her since she does not need Use this because with her powerset she do not have to use these skills.

[RLAAMJR.]

Well although I understand the discomfort of some because Storm can not access their powers, with a somewhat illogical excuse, but we must see the positive side, Storm is an excellent physical fighter, and we rarely see her since she does not need Use this because with her powerset she do not have to use these skills.

You are so right with that.

[ShepardOakenshieldPrime]

Well although I understand the discomfort of some because Storm can not access their powers, with a somewhat illogical excuse, but we must see the positive side, Storm is an excellent physical fighter, and we rarely see her since she does not need Use this because with her powerset she do not have to use these skills.

That seems to be the common things amongst writers who don't understand her very well, they get rid of her powers but she then kicks some ass in h2h combat.

[RLAAMJR.]

Werent they wearing similar suits in order to adapt to the atmosphere of negatove zone?

[PattiLaBelleStormfan]

Okay guys here's my take on #20 coming up. I could potentially be okay with Storm not being able to control the planets weather IF and ONLY IF there was a damned good reason. Like, for instance, if somehow this planet was "sentient" it could very well "resist" her control which would make sense as to why she isn't able to manipulate it. If the planet is magical in origin than that is another good reason as magic has always messed with Storm's powers. Even under Claremont's era. But this is Guggenheim so the best explanation we'll probably get was in that very first page which simply stated "I can't control it". And that I take issue with. At least think this out and make it a compelling reason or answer. Even with the issue under Aaron in Hell where she couldn't utilize her powers. Thought it wasn't explicitly stated, it could easily be deduced that there was a magic element present preventing her from using her powers. That's what I tell myself to ease the pain. He didn't have her say there wasn't any weather. He had her say It's LIKE there's no weather. Sooooo yeah lol. Sometimes I take a yard from an inch because the inch is just too painful sometimes to accept.

[rutog98]

Okay guys here's my take on #20 coming up. I could potentially be okay with Storm not being able to control the planets weather IF and ONLY IF there was a damned good reason. Like, for instance, if somehow this planet was "sentient" it could very well "resist" her control which would make sense as to why she isn't able to manipulate it. If the planet is magical in origin than that is another good reason as magic has always messed with Storm's powers. Even under Claremont's era. But this is Guggenheim so the best explanation we'll probably get was in that very first page which simply stated "I can't control it". And that I take issue with. At least think this out and make it a compelling reason or answer. Even with the issue under Aaron in Hell where she couldn't utilize her powers. Thought it wasn't explicitly stated, it could easily be deduced that there was a magic element present preventing her from using her powers. That's what I tell myself to ease the pain. He didn't have her say there wasn't any weather. He had her say It's LIKE there's no weather. Sooooo yeah lol. Sometimes I take a yard from an inch because the inch is just too painful sometimes to accept.

Given that Storm has been able to control mystical weather from the start with her powers, I can understand if she has difficulty at first, but eventually she should be able to overcome that obstacle. That's the way I see it. She's just too powerful to come across a world and not be able to control its natural forces unless there is something there that nullifies mutant powers similar to those power dampening collars we saw in the 90s.

To me, if there are natural forces present, if Ororo is possessed of her abilities, she should eventually be able to command those forces and overcome any obstacle in her way. She's just that powerful.

[rutog98]

I don't recall that but I do recall him saying lobdell was the inspiration behind this issue. you know the same guy who have us this:

@rutog
http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/he...ra-x-men-gold/

Marc Guggenheim:*One of my all-time favorite X-Men stories—believe it or not—was X-MEN UNLIMITED #1, written by Scott Lobdell. I wanted to place the X-Men in a similar position, where the plot is brutally simplistic: survive. The result is one of my favorite issues of GOLD so far—but, like I said, I leave it up to the readers to decide.

I'm very familiar with this PIS story. I have battled many a Storm-hater/detractor over this issue in my day. I've had to discredit this story so many times its not even funny. It's suspicious that Guggenheim is using this issue as a model to tell his "Storm story" in Gold.

[yogaflame]

I'm very familiar with this PIS story. I have battled many a Storm-hater/detractor over this issue in my day. I've had to discredit this story so many times its not even funny.

And yet you love to quote this issue for the Blaze redirect....

[PattiLaBelleStormfan]

Given that Storm has been able to control mystical weather from the start with her powers, I can understand if she has difficulty at first, but eventually she should be able to overcome that obstacle. That's the way I see it. She's just too powerful to come across a world and not be able to control its natural forces unless there is something there that nullifies mutant powers similar to those power dampening collars we saw in the 90s.

To me, if there are natural forces present, if Ororo is possessed of her abilities, she should eventually be able to command those forces and overcome any obstacle in her way. She's just that powerful.

My FERVENT hope is that she somehow finds a way to master the elements by the issues end. But, of course, that isn't likely because then Kitty can't be the one to save the day as she has literally EVERY SINGLE STORY. It's utterly ridiculous.

[PattiLaBelleStormfan]

and yet you love to quote this issue for the blaze redirect....

do you know you almost made me choke on my coffee hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[yogaflame]

do you know you almost made me choke on my coffee hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

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I prefer morning tea.

[Ororo101]

And yet you love to quote this issue for the Blaze redirect....

Yoga, how did you procure such a strong brew at this time of the morning?? I haven't even taken my curlers out, much less had time to put on my kettle! Very impressive. Practically SCALDING lol

[rutog98]

@Omegarogue:

1) Regarding Emma vs. Jean, I knew you were going to go with some issue where Jean has the PF to try and prove she is a stronger telepath than Emma. No Jean fan has ever been able to prevail against me in a debate between the two telepaths when Jean is limited to her own powers and not being boosted by the PF, so they start trying to claim PF feats for Jean when they see they can't win. Jean had the PF during the Morrison run, thus her big feats there don't count.

2) Where has Rogue ever been shown to be immune to Selene's touch or where has she ever overpowered it? Based off canon, if Selene and Rogue come into physical contact, Selene's life force draining touch overpowers Rogue's power stealing touch and Selene wins out. Give me a scan along with title and issue number that changes this in a contest between the two.

3) Selene actually beats Rachel unless Rachel has the Phoenix Force boosting her powers. Here are scans of Rachel's and Selene's major fight from Uncanny #184:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/fZp5G7epmhA...LRbfF39K=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/8GFp1uG61-f...NwgYhChm=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/JZ_0-By2Wwy..._WanOz1X=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/K0uSjnF1WSp...oXNXvOQd=s1600

Then, they fight again in Uncanny X-Men #189
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Bu3FGZU9IEr..._pC9oJ1v=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/JuZ2zzJG4v9...nVlBwNPP=s1600
then later in that issue:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hfekGNmcjJ...P7ZbwQtp=s1600
Notice how the X-Men always have to save Rachel from Selene.

Then we have Uncanny X-Men 190-191 where Selene takes control of Rachel's mind again:

From Uncanny 190: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/EyzTIV672ge...PtoNx4xD=s1600
From Uncanny 191: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Lo6QaCn0Rmu...94bvE0kc=s1600

Selene is just too strong for Rachel.

It isn't until Rachel gets the Phoenix Force that she is finally able to defeat Selene in Uncanny X-Men #207:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/f7J8hl7rJ6N...arClfJe_=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HHBcIMobFo...6WzP5Z0z=s1600

[rutog98]

And yet you love to quote this issue for the Blaze redirect....

Because the issue stated in plain English that's what Ororo did. I take the good and leave the bad. Where the issue weakens Ororo, I use other stories to discredit that and where the issue gives Storm her due, I keep.

Here, Xavier telepathically forces Sienna's powers to build to its ultimate until it explodes out of her like a bomb:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9eqamBVTsZ...c42/RCO041.jpg

Here, we see it stated plainly that Storm is using her electrically-charged wind tunnel to redirect Sienna's powers upward after Xavier forced Blaze to violently unleash all of her power at once:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uL9m2kCwz6...c42/RCO042.jpg

Notice how afterwards, as the trio had planned, Sienna's powers are temporarily burned out after such an exertion. She can barely stand or speak and she lacks the power to throw another blast:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3MLM7H_yBn...c42/RCO043.jpg

So, there you go!