Madara vs. Son Goku

[Jcogginsa]

Madara takes on Son Goku from Dragonball, 23rd Budokai version.

No Genjutsu allowed.

who wins?

[Aura Blaize]

Madara takes on Son Goku from Dragonball, 23rd Budokai version.

No Genjutsu allowed.

who wins?

That's still in Dragonball right? Should be a stomp in Mandara's favor.

[The Drunkard Kid]

That's still in Dragonball right? Should be a stomp in Mandara's favor.

Eh, I dunno about that. This era Goku should have firepower enough to make Jyuubi look like a firecracker and is fast enough that people that make the Mach 30 or greater Tao Pai Pai look like statues can't even see him move. Speaking of Tao Pai Pai, dude was able to chuck stone pillars over a thousand miles at mach 30 and his allegedly amped cyborg body wasn't able to make Tenshinhan's grip even begin to budge, much less compare to the even stronger Goku, though that stat has always been one of the more nebulous ones in DB.

If Goku can get off a ki-blast before Madara can dimension dump him, then he stands a good chance of winning. His ki-senses should let him detect the other Madaras (can someone explain to me what that was about again?) enough to dodge them in melee.

Honestly though, I just really want to see what happens when a doujutsu specialist gets hit with a Taiyou Ken.

[Aura Blaize]

Eh, I dunno about that. This era Goku should have firepower enough to make Jyuubi look like a firecracker and is fast enough that people that make the Mach 30 or greater Tao Pai Pai look like statues can't even see him move. Speaking of Tao Pai Pai, dude was able to chuck stone pillars over a thousand miles at mach 30 and his allegedly amped cyborg body wasn't able to make Tenshinhan's grip even begin to budge, much less compare to the even stronger Goku, though that stat has always been one of the more nebulous ones in DB.

If Goku can get off a ki-blast before Madara can dimension dump him, then he stands a good chance of winning. His ki-senses should let him detect the other Madaras (can someone explain to me what that was about again?) enough to dodge them in melee.

Honestly though, I just really want to see what happens when a doujutsu specialist gets hit with a Taiyou Ken.

I will admit, I haven't seen much of Dragonball. I know of a few feats (Krillin/Roshi fight, Roshi blowing up the moon comes to mind too) but I also know this Goku is relatively weak compared to what he would become.

Would that mean that by all accounts Radditz would have a realistic chance against Mandara for instance? Or is it less of a "raw power" thing and more of a "skill set" thing?

[big_adventure]

I will admit, I haven't seen much of Dragonball. I know of a few feats (Krillin/Roshi fight, Roshi blowing up the moon comes to mind too) but I also know this Goku is relatively weak compared to what he would become.

Would that mean that by all accounts Radditz would have a realistic chance against Mandara for instance? Or is it less of a "raw power" thing and more of a "skill set" thing?

Radditz is definitely stronger than 23rd Budokai Goku (though he'd lose, because... Radditz).

[The Drunkard Kid]

Radditz is definitely stronger than 23rd Budokai Goku (though he'd lose, because... Radditz).

Now, now, Raditz was a monster by most Shounen standards, including Naruto. Strong enough to casually oneshot a prepared-to-kill post-23rd-Budokai Goku through his defenses and vaporize Piccolo's arm and a mountain range or two besides with casual one handed shots,, durable enough to ignore strikes and even a point blank freak out ki-blast from a Piccolo that went on to casually vape the moon later that day (not to mention block a full or Kamehameha from Goku), fast enough dance around both of them at once as well as dodge point blank Kamehamehas and Makankosappou. There was a reason that they needed to suicide bomb him to win.

[Surtur]

Well yeah, at the very least Raditz was a lot cooler then Nappa.

[Hazard]

I will admit, I haven't seen much of Dragonball. I know of a few feats (Krillin/Roshi fight, Roshi blowing up the moon comes to mind too) but I also know this Goku is relatively weak compared to what he would become.

Would that mean that by all accounts Radditz would have a realistic chance against Mandara for instance? Or is it less of a "raw power" thing and more of a "skill set" thing?

Raditz could kick Madara's ass effortlessly.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Well yeah, at the very least Raditz was a lot cooler then Nappa.

Eh, fifty/fifty. Raditz had better hair and potentially interesting familial relationships that never panned out outside of fanfiction, but Nappa took his "monster over legendary warriors" bit and dialed it up to thirteen until the Kaiou Ken got pulled out.

[Jcogginsa]

Eh, fifty/fifty. Raditz had better hair and potentially interesting familial relationships that never panned out outside of fanfiction, but Nappa took his "monster over legendary warriors" bit and dialed it up to thirteen until the Kaiou Ken got pulled out.

He was also, oddly enough, the most Moral of the three sayians that attacked earth. Not taking Vegeta's heel turn into account of course

[The Drunkard Kid]

He was also, oddly enough, the most Moral of the three sayians that attacked earth. Not taking Vegeta's heel turn into account of course

Which says something, since his only moral act was, "Hey, are we gonna wish back Raditz? No? Alright, lets murder everything for fun! Hooray, murder!"

[Jcogginsa]

Which says something, since his only moral act was, "Hey, are we gonna wish back Raditz? No? Alright, lets murder everything for fun! Hooray, murder!"

he also showed concern for the saibamen

[UltraMagnetic]

If Goku can get off a ki-blast before Madara can dimension dump him, then he stands a good chance of winning. His ki-senses should let him detect the other Madaras (can someone explain to me what that was about again?) enough to dodge them.

If Ki is anything like chakra then Madara should be able to absorb Goku's blast. Goku shouldn't be able to sense Madara's "shadows" if skilled Shinobi who are used to detecting chakra couldn't. The only reason Naruto and Sasuke can is because of the power given to them by the Sage of Six Paths.

The Deva Path was able to destroy a most of the Konoha village with one attack and his power wouldn't even measure up to Madara much less 10 tails Madara. 10 Tails Madara has enough physical and esoteric attacks to defeat Goku plus add in that he's multiple times smarter than him. Goku's only advantage might be his speed.

[The Drunkard Kid]

If Ki is anything like chakra then Madara should be able to absorb Goku's blast. Goku shouldn't be able to sense Madara's "shadows" if skilled Shinobi who are used to detecting chakra couldn't. The only reason Naruto and Sasuke can is because of the power given to them by the Sage of Six Paths.

The Deva Path was able to destroy a most of the Konoha village with one attack and his power wouldn't even measure up to Madara much less 10 tails Madara. 10 Tails Madara has enough physical and esoteric attacks to defeat Goku plus add in that he's multiple times smarter than him. Goku's only advantage might be his speed.

All the attacks in Naruto put together times 100 would not even come close to a moon buster (Earth's moon, which has surface area comparable to Asia and mass around 1/81 of the entire planet) , which someone on Goku's tier did with a casual gesture (yes, there was a time skip, but not one with a major power jump, and that Piccolo had spent the day draining his power significantly up to that point and had earlier that day shown that he required significant charge time to use his strongest attacks), so in all likelyhood Madara won't even remotely be able to handle that kind of firepower without exploding. Not to mention that Goku has shown that he can charge up a full power blast and then insta-fire it later on, and he might have trouble actively absorbing an attack fast enough to hit the moon almost instantly (Not the Naruto-verse Moon, which seems to be very close to the Earth, ala Soul Eater) being blasted at him from an inch from his face, for instance.

Goku himself is able to sense ki on a global scale, which kinda puts him hilariously beyond anyone in Naruto except maaaaaybe Naruto himself, though I don't think that any chakra sensor other than Naruto was actually in the vicinity when Madara was using the shadows, and he was able to sense their existence and position just fine. Heck, sensing evil intention is one of the things that makes Naruto's chakra sensing super special awesome, and its something that Goku also has the ability to do. And he's only one to two arcs shy of learning how to become a more powerful telepath (though with no known offensive feats with it) than any of the Yamanakas as well.

[The Drunkard Kid]

he also showed concern for the saibamen

Well where else is he supposed to get a regular source of roughage?