Arrow

[Donald]

Sorry, if it was said before but the flash forward has Felicity riding in the limo after the unknown death. People break up and come back together. What else is new?

Not necessarily. She was on one side of the limo as far from Oliver as she could get.

[VolcanikTiger86]

The writers genuinely believe they're doing a good job with her and giving the fans what they want.

Unbelievable.

Not to be rude but maybe this was the plan all along give the fans Olicity and then destroy it to the point that even the fans themselves can't stand it and will accept anything else where they will then go with Laurivler or whatever the ship name for Laurel and Oliver is regardless how ****** up it is, honestly if I could chose anyone it would be Sara but that's not going to happen because they have to keep her single so she can be on LOT and be the "token" LGBT girl, Stephen and Katie don't seem to have any chemistry and Felicity and Oliver imo were better as friends but this is a superhero show so he needs a love interest therefore Felicity is the only one left. Lets look at the woman in the show

Thea - his half sister so she is out
Laurel - tried and failed
Sara - on a different show
Nyssa - believes she has found her soulmate in Sara and didn't seem that happy to marry Oliver
Felicity - the fan favourite that has taken over the fandom
Helena - Psycho and in jail
Cupid - See Helena

I once thought that the show creators bowed to the tumbler fans and instagram fans but now I don't think so the reason we are getting Olicity is for one simple reason who else is there. The Lances is a ****** up mess with a sisterly relationship previously destroyed. Two are or were psychotic, one is his sister and the other is married to his best friend and can't forget the mass murderer who is in loved with one of the girls involved in above ****** up mess.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I'm glad Cupid acknowledged the belief that Green Arrow is a different person than the Arrow. Pretty much everyone on the show knows it's been Oliver this whole time, so there doesn't seem to be much of a difference. I like that they did something different with Cupid this time, not rehashing her obsessing over some man. Although does Task Force X really release murders in under two years after a few missions? Seems Lyla should look into that program.

The fact that Laurel's being well used lately is what's making me think she's the upcoming death, how bad is that?

It's not too bad a thought. I've been thinking that her relationship with Lance has been so healthy and entertaining to watch all season that he's going to be the death. I hope Laurel is going to be okay, I want to see more of her in court.

Poor Oliver. Felicity acts bitter over the break-up, still leaves him even after that impassioned romantic speech (even if I think he's stretching Felicity's influence on him a bit), leaves Team Arrow, and claims he'll never be able to move past the survivor from the island who keeps secrets and is determined to carry out his mission despite all the efforts he's made to stop being that guy. First he has to let his son go and now this?

I really loved Oliver in this episode. Diggle and Thea telling him to go after Felicity and him doing just that and pouring his heart out...it was nice. Although what you said does highlight the problem with Olicity, he did stretch Felicity's influence over him, and every time he does that or call her the best person he's ever met, it makes my eyes roll. And her relationship with Oliver continues to make her unreasonable and unlikeable. Plus, she's completely fine with walking now? Not even a cane? Darn.

Superheroes can't have normal lives. They can't be happy (for too long). If they ever do get married - something horrible will happen. Too predictable.

Superheroes have a better track record marrying other superheroes rather than civilians. Felicity wasn't quite a civilian, so there was hope for her. For a time, anyway.

[Frontier]

I'm glad Cupid acknowledged the belief that Green Arrow is a different person than the Arrow. Pretty much everyone on the show knows it's been Oliver this whole time, so there doesn't seem to be much of a difference. I like that they did something different with Cupid this time, not rehashing her obsessing over some man. Although does Task Force X really release murders in under two years after a few missions? Seems Lyla should look into that program.

I guess you have to give Waller credit that she actually upheld her end of the bargain in regards to the Suicide Squad instead of just keeping them locked up and sent on missions indefinitely.

Sure, letting Cupid back into society after Deadshots death and her previous track record was probably a bad idea, but it was part of the deal for signing up for Task Force X.

It's not too bad a thought. I've been thinking that her relationship with Lance has been so healthy and entertaining to watch all season that he's going to be the death. I hope Laurel is going to be okay, I want to see more of her in court.

Agreed. I also still kinda want to have a scene of Katie Cassidy wearing fishnets, just once.

Plus, she's completely fine with walking now? Not even a cane? Darn.

I guess Curtis is just that terrific .

[AnakinFlair]

I had a thought....

What if they DO kill off Laurel- but the last scene of the Season 4 finale, a Laurel from a different universe (Earth 2 or otherwise) comes over, complete with the metagene for the Canary Cry instead of the tech? Maybe even make her either morally ambiguous or an outright villain that Team Arrow will have to face in Season 5?

[McMax]

I have always run hot and cold on Felicity, she has brought levity to a show that needs a little levity and she is Smoak’in hot and that is always good! But she can be very condescending and selfish too and that is what struck me about the last ep, she is upset that Oliver chooses his son over her. I guessing that being Emily Bett Rickards isn’t leaving the show she will be back on Team Arrow some way but with the personal relationship with Oliver gone I wonder if this was done to eventually put Oliver back with Laurel being that he is now the Green Arrow and she is Black Canary.

And what if that is Thea’s grave? I can’t think of anybody else who’s death would not only make Oliver kill after all the angst about doing that for the past seasons but have both Felicity and Barry tell him that they will help him do it.

[kalorama]

I have always run hot and cold on Felicity, she has brought levity to a show that needs a little levity and she is Smoak’in hot and that is always good! But she can be very condescending and selfish too and that is what struck me about the last ep, she is upset that Oliver chooses his son over her. I guessing that being Emily Bett Rickards isn’t leaving the show she will be back on Team Arrow some way but with the personal relationship with Oliver gone I wonder if this was done to eventually put Oliver back with Laurel being that he is now the Green Arrow and she is Black Canary.

And what if that is Thea’s grave? I can’t think of anybody else who’s death would not only make Oliver kill after all the angst about doing that for the past seasons but have both Felicity and Barry tell him that they will help him do it.

After eveything he's been through, I could easily see the death of any of his friends/family--and his guilt over being unable to prevent it--pushing Oliver to seek a lethal solution for the perpetrator.

When did Barry tell Oliver that he would help him kill someone? I don't recall ever seeing that.

[Captain Smith]

Anyone think that Banshee made Laurel look even more ridiculous? The dead person would have to be very close to Oliver for Barry by blood or marriage to zap over. Lance or Digs - that's a phone call. Felicity, the kid or Thea - that would bring attendance at a funeral or soon after.

[kalorama]

Anyone think that Banshee made Laurel look even more ridiculous?

Not really, no. Silver Bansheee, on the other hand, looked ludicrous.

The dead person would have to be very close to Oliver for Barry by blood or marriage to zap over. Lance or Digs - that's a phone call. Felicity, the kid or Thea - that would bring attendance at a funeral or soon after.

There's no way Barry wouldn't show up in person for Diggle's funeral. The two of them have worked closely together on multiple occasions, including at least one where Oliver wasn't involved, when Diggle and Lyla came to Central to warn Barry about a threat to his life. Barry and Diggle may not be best buddies for life, but they are friends. Which means that he'd also show up if it was Lyla in the grave. Honestly, I can't imagine him not showing up if any member of team Arrow (or their close family) died, esp. given how little effort it would actually take on Barry's part to be there

[Frontier]

Anyone think that Banshee made Laurel look even more ridiculous?

I did think having an actual visual for Banshee's sonic attack was a lot better then Laurel just making a screaming pose for the Canary Cry.

[tabo61]

The bees forming into a humanoid form. How come the writers didn't think of that first when she was on the Flash last season?

[Donald]

Honestly, I can't imagine him not showing up if any member of team Arrow (or their close family) died, esp. given how little effort it would actually take on Barry's part to be there

IIRC, Barry said he couldn't make it to the actual funeral because he was fighting Zoom. And it helped set up and keep the mystery.

[kalorama]

IIRC, Barry said he couldn't make it to the actual funeral because he was fighting Zoom. And it helped set up and keep the mystery.

Yeah, but the point was, he did show up when he could, as opposed to just making a condolence call on the phone. And he would have made that effort regardless of which member of team Arrow it was.

[AnakinFlair]

I did think having an actual visual for Banshee's sonic attack was a lot better then Laurel just making a screaming pose for the Canary Cry.

I felt the same way. I wish they would do that banshee effect when Laurel uses the Canary Cry.

Did anyone else watch next weeks teaser? That voice who stated the time of death at the end seemed VERY familiar, and would rule out a popular theory on who dies...

[Frontier]

Wow, this felt like the most lighthearted and comic-booky episode of Arrow ever, with all the bee puns, Curtis playing such a major role, Donna being Donna, and Bug-Eyed Bandit making a frikkin' bee robot man out of nanobees. Are we sure this isn't an episode of The Flash ?

A judge giving Brie access to computers was probably one of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen, especially given her brains and expertise. It's like they were just asking for her to break out of prison.

So...I guess Merlyn has basically taken over as HIVE's main Star City agent? He sure moved through that organization fast. Though he's probably also working with Ruve to make sure things run smoothly from here on in. I'm also not surprised that HIVE is cutting its losses with Darhk now that he, seemingly, no longer has his powers and killed one of their own on a whim. That doesn't really endear a lot of loyalty. Though I wonder how Ruve feels about her husband's imprisonment?

Hey! Surprise Murmur appearance. Didn't expect him to have a grandmother. Also wasn't expecting him to play a part in Darhk's escape from prison.

Dear lord, the Arrowcave's security really is abysmal. So someone can just walk up to the elevator and activate it? Or did Curtis having that phone help? It still didn't take him that long to find it or get in once he put his mind to it. And I got a good laugh at Ollie still resignedly trying to maintain that they don't call it the "Arrowcave." He's just never going to win on that front .

Curtis struggling to remember Diggle's name was also good for a laugh. Heck, with all his reactions to what was going on and his enthusiasm and pop-culture references, Curtis was just the highlight of the episode for me. I would actually at this point have no problem with him taking over from Felicity as Team Arrow's computer and tech person, as Mr. Terrific, which the episode seemed to be setting up with Felicity moving on to philanthropy and Curtis acclimating himself to the work Team Arrow do. Though obviously he said at the end that the kind of life the group leads isn't for him, but I can see that changing.

Man, Green Arrow got his butt kicked this episode. First he gets infected by Bug-Eyed Bandit's bees, then he gets beat up by the beeman, and then Brie shoots him. Not a good day to be Ollie, both on the Superhero front and the relationship front, though at least he seems to be dealing with his relationship with Felicity being over much better now.

Laurel comforting/inspiring Oliver and seeing them talking in a friendly way was really nice to see, especially given their history. Often on the show they seem to be at odds with one another over something or how they're treating each other, but here their interaction felt like really old friends being there for one another, which was nice. I almost started to think it might be teasing Green ArrowxBlack Canary finally happening or a progression towards it, but with this show, who knows? Laurel putting her hand on Oliver's face felt kinda romantic though...

I guess the fact that she has a tumor to worry about and is now currently in a coma means we won't be seeing Bug-Eyed Bandit again anytime soon. Which is probably a good thing for Felicity given Brie figured out by the end that Felicity was the computer specialist who helped stop her in "All-Star Team-Up."

So HIVE's ace in the hole is...Andy!? That's not going to end well for anyone, but I've gotta feel sorry for Diggle. Especially after everything he went through to try and get his brother back .