Mini Martial Arts Tournament Round 1

[Jcogginsa]

This is a martial arts tournament.

Physical stats are equalized, the name of the game here is skill land technique.

The battles all take place in the Budokai arena from Dragonball.

Victory can come via Knock-out, pinfall, surrender, or ring-out. Killing is not permitted.

Here are the matches of round one, created via RNG


1. Kenshiro vs Chang Koehan
2. Val Armorr vs Master Roshi
3. Jin Mo-Ri vs Shio Sakaki
4. Po the Panda vs Samurai Jack

[Nik Hasta]

1. Kenshiro vs Chang Koehan

Okay, so assuming this is the big dude from King of Fighters, I'm struggling to see how Kenshiro doesn't flatten him. Chang has no great showings of techniques to speak of; he's a big dude who swings a ball and chain around. He's literally the kind of mook Kenshiro walks through without noticing.

Kenshiro destroys his weapon with Nanto Seiken techniques and then taps Chang on the upper lip and puts him into a painless sleep because he's playing with the kid gloves.

2. Val Armorr vs Master Roshi

KJS being able to choose Val is kind of ridiculous but that's the timeline we're in.

Roshi is very skillful and has a vastly superior range game to his name. Val has... well... all of his Val stuff. The equalisation of stats makes this a lot more contestable though. I'm leaning Val but there's an argument for Roshi here.

3. Jin Mo-Ri vs Shio Sakaki

This is the hardest one to call for me in this round. Assuming that this is all hand-to-hand, Yeoui, Armour Suit and Gendouwon are off the table, that leaves Mori with just his raw Renewal Taekwon. However, he's also a skill monster so it's not like he can just do the straight fist fight thing. He's also demonstrated terrifying adaptability as well which won't make this fun for Sakaki. Sakaki is... perhaps... the more skilled of the two but the longer the fight goes on, the quicker that gap closes.

Question for Jcogg - where do we stand on Jaebongchim for enhancing stats? Mori is capable of multiplying his stats to achieve absurd levels just by tapping himself on the side of the head. Even if he is brought down to the comparatively weak and fragile Sakaki, he should still be able to amp himself to kick a hole in a city or something if he wants but I fear that might go against the spirit of the matches.

On the same note, for my own, match can Kenshiro use the many techniques at his disposal to augment his massively reduced stats?

4. Po the Panda vs Samurai Jack

Equalised speed and strength and no weapon for Jack leaves him without a great option for getting through Po's fat durability. I would back the Panda despite Jack being more skilled.

[Jcogginsa]

Okay, so assuming this is the big dude from King of Fighters, I'm struggling to see how Kenshiro doesn't flatten him. Chang has no great showings of techniques to speak of; he's a big dude who swings a ball and chain around. He's literally the kind of mook Kenshiro walks through without noticing.

Kenshiro destroys his weapon with Nanto Seiken techniques and then taps Chang on the upper lip and puts him into a painless sleep because he's playing with the kid gloves.



KJS being able to choose Val is kind of ridiculous but that's the timeline we're in.

Roshi is very skillful and has a vastly superior range game to his name. Val has... well... all of his Val stuff. The equalisation of stats makes this a lot more contestable though. I'm leaning Val but there's an argument for Roshi here.



This is the hardest one to call for me in this round. Assuming that this is all hand-to-hand, Yeoui, Armour Suit and Gendouwon are off the table, that leaves Mori with just his raw Renewal Taekwon. However, he's also a skill monster so it's not like he can just do the straight fist fight thing. He's also demonstrated terrifying adaptability as well which won't make this fun for Sakaki. Sakaki is... perhaps... the more skilled of the two but the longer the fight goes on, the quicker that gap closes.

Question for Jcogg - where do we stand on Jaebongchim for enhancing stats? Mori is capable of multiplying his stats to achieve absurd levels just by tapping himself on the side of the head. Even if he is brought down to the comparatively weak and fragile Sakaki, he should still be able to amp himself to kick a hole in a city or something if he wants but I fear that might go against the spirit of the matches.

On the same note, for my own, match can Kenshiro use the many techniques at his disposal to augment his massively reduced stats?



Equalised speed and strength and no weapon for Jack leaves him without a great option for getting through Po's fat durability. I would back the Panda despite Jack being more skilled.

1. In terms of special techniques, things like the Kamehameha would be allowable.
2. As for Jin-Mo-Ri's ability to amp himself, assume that he starts the fight at the peak of his physical strength, and that is what his opponent is equalized to.
3. Weapon specialists do get to use their weapons.

[Nik Hasta]

1. In terms of special techniques, things like the Kamehameha would be allowable.
2. As for Jin-Mo-Ri's ability to amp himself, assume that he starts the fight at the peak of his physical strength, and that is what his opponent is equalized to.

So... wait, if Mori amps himself, does that mean Sakaki just gets stronger in return?

If Kenshiro amps his speed or strength with Raibo Shinkyaku or Dragon's Breath, does Chang get a similar boost?

Just want to be clear on the rules here.

3. Weapon specialists do get to use their weapons.

Well, that's both good and bad for Jack. His blade can't cut good people if I recall right and I would think that Po qualifies for that so he can't actually use his sword here beyond as a club.

[Nik Hasta]

Also, if weapon specialists get their weapons, does Mori get Yeoui? He is a master of the staff and both he and his clone (whose knowledge and training he has absorbed) trained to a level of control and skill that impressed weapon masters in their setting.

If he does get Yeoui then this becomes a very different and considerably shorter fight.

Unless we're nerfing weapons somehow as well?

Also, just remembered for my assessment of Sakaki versus Mori. Clones. Mori summons like... a single clone and then it's two on one and Sakaki isn't going to win that.

[Jackalope89]

Roshi and Val...
Has Val ever fought in a tournament before? Simply asking, because Roshi is going into this extremely experienced in the tournament format and rules.

And, I think it deserves to be mentioned, what version of Val is this? Because some can use energy blasts, others cannot. If he can't, that gives Roshi a distinct edge. If he can, it becomes far more interesting.

[Jcogginsa]

BTW, this fight will last until Midnight one week from now, and will be decided via a vote

So... wait, if Mori amps himself, does that mean Sakaki just gets stronger in return?

If Kenshiro amps his speed or strength with Raibo Shinkyaku or Dragon's Breath, does Chang get a similar boost?

Just want to be clear on the rules here.



Well, that's both good and bad for Jack. His blade can't cut good people if I recall right and I would think that Po qualifies for that so he can't actually use his sword here beyond as a club.

1. opponent gets a similar boost, basically
2. IIRC, the sword cannot harm the innocent in the hands of evil. Since Jack's not evil, he can cut whatever he likes with it

Also, if weapon specialists get their weapons, does Mori get Yeoui? He is a master of the staff and both he and his clone (whose knowledge and training he has absorbed) trained to a level of control and skill that impressed weapon masters in their setting.

If he does get Yeoui then this becomes a very different and considerably shorter fight.

Unless we're nerfing weapons somehow as well?

Also, just remembered for my assessment of Sakaki versus Mori. Clones. Mori summons like... a single clone and then it's two on one and Sakaki isn't going to win that.

Mo-Ri does have access to Yeoui, but recall that he's fighting in character. I've not read his series, is he the kind of character that would bring a weapon into a tournament like this?

Roshi and Val...
Has Val ever fought in a tournament before? Simply asking, because Roshi is going into this extremely experienced in the tournament format and rules.

And, I think it deserves to be mentioned, what version of Val is this? Because some can use energy blasts, others cannot. If he can't, that gives Roshi a distinct edge. If he can, it becomes far more interesting.

KJS specified Classic Val, so I assume it's Pre-Crisis

[Nschornhorst]

Jack may be one of the few who won't underestimate Po and he wields that awesome sword, but I think Po's agility and speed could surprise him given his physique. While the sword is an advantage, Po has various chi-based attacks which can area-effect if pulled off and he's a very quick learner, mastering techniques after observing them only once or twice. Since physical stats are equalized, Po loses the advantage of his bulk, but also won't be outpaced by Jack.

[Nik Hasta]

1. opponent gets a similar boost, basically
2. IIRC, the sword cannot harm the innocent in the hands of evil. Since Jack's not evil, he can cut whatever he likes with it

Okay, so amping techniques are pretty meaningless then for both Kenshiro and Mori, good to know. Kenshiro still beats Chang free tho.

Also, bad news for Po. Jack can still hurt him then.

Mo-Ri does have access to Yeoui, but recall that he's fighting in character. I've not read his series, is he the kind of character that would bring a weapon into a tournament like this?

Kind of hard to say. He's certainly not afraid to use Yeoui. During the portion of the series where he fought in tournaments, Yeoui had specifically been taken away from him. In other interactions, ones where he wasn't being fully series, he made a point of using Yeoui. It's just that he can either make Yeoui big and drop it on his opponent for the pin or he can shove them out of the ring with planet moving force. Yeoui is a ridiculously powerful weapon.

One could argue that he would want to prove the superiority of Renewal Taekwon, a desire that isn't without precedent, and thus might ignore his Jaechundaeseong powers but that kind of feels like a silly argument in that hinges on Mori not just doing one of the three things that would allow him to instantly win [clones/yeoui push/yeoui pin]

[Jcogginsa]

Okay, so amping techniques are pretty meaningless then for both Kenshiro and Mori, good to know. Kenshiro still beats Chang free tho.

Also, bad news for Po. Jack can still hurt him then.



Kind of hard to say. He's certainly not afraid to use Yeoui. During the portion of the series where he fought in tournaments, Yeoui had specifically been taken away from him. In other interactions, ones where he wasn't being fully series, he made a point of using Yeoui. It's just that he can either make Yeoui big and drop it on his opponent for the pin or he can shove them out of the ring with planet moving force. Yeoui is a ridiculously powerful weapon.

One could argue that he would want to prove the superiority of Renewal Taekwon, a desire that isn't without precedent, and thus might ignore his Jaechundaeseong powers but that kind of feels like a silly argument in that hinges on Mori not just doing one of the three things that would allow him to instantly win [clones/yeoui push/yeoui pin]

Keep in mind that if he can exert planet movie force with Yeoui, the equalization factor means his opponent can do so as well.

[Nik Hasta]

Keep in mind that if he can exert planet movie force with Yeoui, the equalization factor means his opponent can do so as well.

Huh...

I mean, yeoui isn't tied to Mori's stats. Mori himself can't put out that force, his weapon can. Sakaki doesn't have an equivalent item but you're just going to say that any offensive action to any degree is duplicated onto the opponent, regardless of their ability to actually replicate it?

Does this mean Po can now spontaneously through stone and steel simply because he's fighting Jack who is armed with a magic sword?

Okay, follow up questions:

1) Mori has the ability to create clones, if he does so does Sakaki just get a clone as well to keep it equal?
2) Kenshiro can become combat intangible and warp the fabric of space with his techniques, does Chang spontaneously gain the ability to replicate this?
3) If Mori makes yeoui too heavy for himself to lift, looking at the pin strategy here, I assume that this means that Sakaki cannot lift it?

[Jcogginsa]

Huh...

I mean, yeoui isn't tied to Mori's stats. Mori himself can't put out that force, his weapon can. Sakaki doesn't have an equivalent item but you're just going to say that any offensive action to any degree is duplicated onto the opponent, regardless of their ability to actually replicate it?

Does this mean Po can now spontaneously through stone and steel simply because he's fighting Jack who is armed with a magic sword?

Okay, follow up questions:

1) Mori has the ability to create clones, if he does so does Sakaki just get a clone as well to keep it equal?
2) Kenshiro can become combat intangible and warp the fabric of space with his techniques, does Chang spontaneously gain the ability to replicate this?
3) If Mori makes yeoui too heavy for himself to lift, looking at the pin strategy here, I assume that this means that Sakaki cannot lift it?

I'm unfamiliar with Jin's series. Are you saying that his weapon inherently has planet moving capabilities? That if any random schmoe picked it up, they could move planets around? I was assuming that it worked like an actual weapon does, with it's power just being what it's wielder can already exert.

1. No, that's a special technique not a physical stat
2. No to the intangibility because that's not a physical stat. For the space warping I'd need to know more about the mechanics of how it's done
3. If Mori can make his weapon heavier than he himself can lift, then that should work. He'd have to be careful not to kill his opponent though.

[Jackalope89]

I wonder how well Roshi's "Sleepy Boy" technique (hypnotizing them to sleep) would work on Val? Also Thundershock Surprise which, while not lethal, hurts like hell and otherwise keeps the target trapped in one place. The mafuba (Evil Containment Wave) is the ace up the sleeve that he wouldn't use until absolutely necessary.

Plus I imagine Roshi having some interesting banter with Val. Roshi's school is all about improving one's own style, while Val is about mastering all other styles. Roshi would instigate the conversation, get a chat going as both feel each other out, and then fart in Val's face...

What? Roshi did the same thing in Dragon Ball...

[Nik Hasta]

I'm unfamiliar with Jin's series. Are you saying that his weapon inherently has planet moving capabilities? That if any random schmoe picked it up, they could move planets around? I was assuming that it worked like an actual weapon does, with it's power just being what it's wielder can already exert.

Okay, yeoui is the shape changing staff or nyoi-bo as used by Sun Wukong/The Monkey King from legend. It can freely change its size and weight on an extremely high level. To my knowledge it has only been directly controlled by Mori himself or one of his clones so it's not like anyone can use it but the power is tied to the staff.

In terms of planet moving, at one point in the series, a couple of planet sized constructs are sent flying toward the Earth and yeoui is used to shove them out of the solar system.

1. No, that's a special technique not a physical stat

Duly noted.

2. No to the intangibility because that's not a physical stat. For the space warping I'd need to know more about the mechanics of how it's done

Suitably high level practitioners of Hokuto Shinken can use their chi to manipulate the fabric of space. This can be used offensively to disorient their opponents or defensively to make hits laid against them not land correctly due to an armour of spatial distortion.

3. If Mori can make his weapon heavier than he himself can lift, then that should work. He'd have to be careful not to kill his opponent though.

Yeah, that should be more than possible.

[Jcogginsa]

Okay, yeoui is the shape changing staff or nyoi-bo as used by Sun Wukong/The Monkey King from legend. It can freely change its size and weight on an extremely high level. To my knowledge it has only been directly controlled by Mori himself or one of his clones so it's not like anyone can use it but the power is tied to the staff.

In terms of planet moving, at one point in the series, a couple of planet sized constructs are sent flying toward the Earth and yeoui is used to shove them out of the solar system.



Duly noted.



Suitably high level practitioners of Hokuto Shinken can use their chi to manipulate the fabric of space. This can be used offensively to disorient their opponents or defensively to make hits laid against them not land correctly due to an armour of spatial distortion.



Yeah, that should be more than possible.

1. How does it move the planets? As in, what motions does Jin do with the staff. Does it just hold it forward and let it extend, or does heswing it like a bat, etc.

2. Then it should not copy the space warping