Don't let anyone else hold the candle that lights the way to your future because only you can sustain the flame.
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Headcannon - There is literally zero evidence for Krakoa being a dictatorship. The supervillains explicitly are restrained, citizenship in Krakoa and gaining the human governments approved amnesty requires adherence to Krakoan laws. The context of the current run explicitly protects regular humans better than any before.
Your arguments here don’t make any sense, I didn’t mention the mansion, never went back to it, you brought it up all on your own.
Mother Mold was in space and was also explicitly part of a plot to exterminate mutant-kind, you are aware of that right? Pretending otherwise is either disingenuous or you have no idea what is going on in the books.
Where has there been anything even remotely like “Anything Goes”? The very first action of the Krakoan government was to begin establishing laws and punishing Sabertooth for killing humans. They are operating under the accepted rules of international relations (with some comic book encouragement), those used by existing governments. It was explicitly spelled out in both HoX/PoX and later at Davos that they are operating by the same rules that other governments do.
I’m not sure you understand the concept of Amnesty. You know the one agreed to by human governments. No one’s pretending that what mutants did pre-Krakoa didn’t happen (See Gambit/Jubilee and Apocalypse), its about attempting a fresh start for the betterment of all, and so far its been remarkably successful, and with the resurrection protocols they can afford to take risks on the villains.
Yeah and? No one claimed they have been redeemed. Amnesty was granted, forgiveness for past actions in order to foster peace.
From Wikipedia
“An amnesty may be extended when the authority decides that bringing citizens into compliance with a law is more important than punishing them for past offenses. Amnesty after a war helps end a conflict.”
Hmmm… what does that sound like… Oh yeah that’s exactly what happened.
You are absolutely right its not fair and they aren’t forcing penance. Again I refer you back to the concept of AMNESTY. Its not a novel concept, its been a part of real world politics for.. well forever. Lots of terrible real world monsters and villains received amnesty because results are more important than forcing the world to align with your own philosophy. Peace and pragmatism are more important than dogmatic adherence to old wounds and crimes.
Actually HoX #5 - Xavier invited the mutant villains to join Krakoa but only if they accept and follow the rules and laws. Apocalypse and Shaw aren’t breaking laws, Sabertooth was punished by the QC, it didn’t exist before. He had been tasked by Magneto and explicitly warned not to kill anyone. Also are you aware of the concept of a hierarchy of importance, Sebastian Shaw is less important than preventing genocide by murder-bot.
Yeah and? It’s supposed to be challenging. It’s supposed to be controversial. What is death to a society of immortals? Remove “death” from the equation (they did) and prove its worse than many of the rituals and practices accepted in the real world.
Ummm… have you even read the post you responded to? I unambiguously referred to them as villains. They are being used in new and interesting ways but they are still antagonists, just more complex and less mustache-twirling, cartoonishly simple black hats. If the concept of complex, nuanced villains with sympathetic motives isn’t to your taste then perhaps you are reading the wrong books as its been a hallmark of the series since Claremont’s first run.
lol, really? Ignoring the plight of mutants around the world?
The history of the X-Men has been about helping and protecting mutants around the world. In the current run 2 and a half of the main books are all about helping mutants around the world (Marauders, X-Force, and occasionally New Mutants).
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“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
Did you experience 9/11? That terrorist attack killed thousands and gift wrapped an event to George W Bush for his administration to marginalise Muslims and throw innocent people in Guantanamo. Osama bin laden wasn't half as dangerous as those two are.
They're mutant terrorists who spout about mutant supremacy and have large bodycounts committed to serve that purpose. Every time they do something like this it sets mutant relations back years. You don't think peoe would connect their actions to them being mutants? It's not exactly a secret.
Now those two are legitimate faces of the Krakoan government.
Who have not touched so much as a single hair on a single innocent human head since they became those legitimate faces of said government.
Those of us actually discussing what is actually in the books are aware of that, and don't really doubt that people are connecting the above reality to them being mutants.
Never mind the whole "Drugs That Are Revolutionizing How Human Quality Of Life..." thing.
Lots of humans are probably connecting them to that action as well.
I read the issue, there's no mention about Death removing Mutants "from her list". Even Gods like Thor or Zeus are in Death's list, and they resurrect. Besides, this only proves my point.
Mutants are violating Life and Death's rules with the Resurrection's protocols, the same can happen with the Green Door of the Hulks. If this continues, we could end up in a world without Death, and although that may sound good for anyone missing someone, it can actually turn into a living nightmare: a Cancerverse! As horrible as Death can be, a Cancerverse in a INFINITELY WORSE OPTION. Mutants have to be stopped before they cause a major damage with this. And not only Mutants, but also the forces behind the Green Door, and even "cloning scientist" like the Jackal. (You know, by the Inheritors and "Dead No More").
That's not much of a response. Sure America has been responsible for numerous heinous acts, but your argument doesn't condemn either for doing it. Those responsible for this acts impacted negatively how America was seen by the world. For most of his existence Magneto, and the various other individuals, didn't represent nation states they were terrorist groups like Al Queada. Acs like 9/11 didn't improve relations with Muslims in America it did the opposite, and this affected other countries. It gave racists more ammunition for propaganda by using a real event to exploit their agenda off.
Magneto's actions are entrenched in politics, it's not like w're discussing the Rhino robbing a bank here.
Do you think what Magneto and Apocalypse did with those acts was right?
Edit: You didn't answer my question about 9/11, either.
your right and your wrong. This is what death actually says.
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So it was resolved. If the MU goes to the cancerverse it won't be because of mutants because that was already resolved. Thank goodness the MU humans are there to pick up the slack with death. So if it does happen it will be because of homo novissima. Humans better get it together.
And the humans keeping her fresh.
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Don't let anyone else hold the candle that lights the way to your future because only you can sustain the flame.
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Literally nobody is touching this 9/11 analogy because it's completely warped and ridiculous.