Can We Admit That The Inhumans Have Failed Now?

[Iron Fist]

I just looked up diplomatic immunity on google, and saw
People also ask: How do you get diplomatic immunity?
A: It depends on your rank. Top diplomatic officers have full immunity, as do their deputies and families. That means ambassadors can commit just about any crime—from jaywalking to murder—and still be immune from prosecution. They can't be arrested or forced to testify in court.

Yep.

There's also a thing called Sovereign immunity, which extends to the royal family. But the Inhuman royal family would likely have both in their favour.

[AcesX1X]

Yep.

There's also a thing called Sovereign immunity, which extends to the royal family. But the Inhuman royal family would likely have both in their favour.

what about the dog?

[Iron Fist]

what about the dog?

He's a member of the royal family regardless of his unconfirmed origin.

[AcesX1X]

He's a member of the royal family regardless of his unconfirmed origin.

sure but legally speaking, diplomatic immunity does not apply to one's pets

[Iron Fist]

sure but legally speaking, diplomatic immunity does not apply to one's pets

Inhumans have members of the royal family with different visual species, if Triton can get diplomatic immunity then so can Lockjaw. We've seen repeatedly that Lockjaw is a being with an intellect not just a dog.

[AcesX1X]

Inhumans have members of the royal family with different visual species, if Triton can get diplomatic immunity then so can Lockjaw. We've seen repeatedly that Lockjaw is a being with an intellect not just a dog.

triton, for as odd looking as he is, can still speak and interact with society, and argue his case before a legal body. lockjaw can't, and assuming the royal family would have to do so, they would have a difficult time arguing that he is more than just a pet. especially when they constantly treat him like the family dog in front of attilan and the rest of the world.

it would be an interesting case, but nothing in their history that i can think of would help them argue for it. many people consider their pets to be family, but it doesn't guarantee those pets the same rights under law as their owners, and certainly not in the case of diplomatic immunities or violating border laws.

[Iron Fist]

triton, for as odd looking as he is, can still speak and interact with society, and argue his case before a legal body. lockjaw can't, and assuming the royal family would have to do so, they would have a difficult time arguing that he is more than just a pet. especially when they constantly treat him like the family dog in front of attilan and the rest of the world.

it would be an interesting case, but nothing in their history that i can think of would help them argue for it. many people consider their pets to be family, but it doesn't guarantee those pets the same rights under law as their owners, and certainly not in the case of diplomatic immunities or violating border laws.

But you're applying real world logic to superhumans of varying species. There are Inhumans and Mutants who cannot articulate themselves anymore but that does not change that they are beings with their own minds.

It also isn't up to other countries to decide who can and can't have immunity, it's set out by the country those people come from. If Medusa decides the royal family including Lockjaw have diplomatic immunity then they have it, just like she decided to waive Triton's immunity so he could be prosecuted by Tony Stark in CW2.

[Jokerz79]

Inhumans have members of the royal family with different visual species, if Triton can get diplomatic immunity then so can Lockjaw. We've seen repeatedly that Lockjaw is a being with an intellect not just a dog.

What about the average Inhuman? What about Nuhumans who are American Citizens and go to Attilan and comeback without going thru U.S. Customs? Fact is the Inhumans flaunt Sovereignty of foreign nations all the time but have a stick up their butts about their own. But believing their society and it's rules supersede others is nothing new.

[AcesX1X]

But you're applying real world logic to superhumans of varying species. There are Inhumans and Mutants who cannot articulate themselves anymore but that does not change that they are beings with their own minds.

It also isn't up to other countries to decide who can and can't have immunity, it's set out by the country those people come from. If Medusa decides the royal family including Lockjaw have diplomatic immunity then they have it, just like she decided to waive Triton's immunity so he could be prosecuted by Tony Stark in CW2.

yes, i'm applying real world logic. just because marvel comics exist in fantasy doesn't mean everything operates in fantasyland.

rules still apply, and if they don't, there's narrative reasons for it. since they've never taken lockjaw to court to establish his diplomatic immunity (lol) there's no reason to assume he has obtained it.

as for your other statement, immunity has been standardized under the vienna convention to prevent misunderstanding and conflict between governing bodies.

[Iron Fist]

What about the average Inhuman? What about Nuhumans who are American Citizens and go to Attilan and comeback without going thru U.S. Customs? Fact is the Inhumans flaunt Sovereignty of foreign nations all the time but have a stick up their butts about their own. But believing their society and it's rules supersede others is nothing new.

The average Inhumans are citizens of Attilan by default I believe, so they're automatically dual citizens. They don't have any immunity though if they were persecuted on racist grounds then that's likely to end badly, the Inhumans overthrew a regime in a country because they were killing Inhumans.

yes, i'm applying real world logic. just because marvel comics exist in fantasy doesn't mean everything operates in fantasyland.

rules still apply, and if they don't, there's narrative reasons for it. since they've never taken lockjaw to court to establish his diplomatic immunity (lol) there's no reason to assume he has obtained it.

as for your other statement, immunity has been standardized under the vienna convention to prevent misunderstanding and conflict between governing bodies.

Because its not obtained, it is given, and since there is no ill will towards Lockjaw from Medusa, there's no reason to assume she didn't extend it to him.

[AcesX1X]

Because its not obtained, it is given, and since there is no ill will towards Lockjaw from Medusa, there's no reason to assume she didn't extend it to him.

yes, but as stated, she cannot grant something which is not universally agreed upon. and diplomatic immunity for pets is not permissable. she may be sovereign but she still must abide by rules set forth by the international community.

[MajorHoy]

marvel and FOX are now working together on both legion (FX) and the gifted (FOX), but FOX still retains all decision-making powers when it comes to live action portrayals. marvel is not allowed to use the word "mutant" outside of the comics.

Of course, both those television programs are on FOX-owned networks.
It's not quite as good a deal as what Sony and Marvel/Disney did regarding Spider-Man.

[Iron Fist]

Of course, both those television programs are on FOX-owned networks.
It's not quite as good a deal as what Sony and Marvel/Disney did regarding Spider-Man.

The implication has also been that Marvel's involvement is name only.

yes, but as stated, she cannot grant something which is not universally agreed upon. and diplomatic immunity for pets is not permissable. she may be sovereign but she still must abide by rules set forth by the international community.

She made an island in US waters internationally accepted as a sovereign nation, you think she'd struggle to get a well known member of the royal family diplomatic immunity?

[Jokerz79]

The implication has also been that Marvel's involvement is name only.



She made an island in US waters internationally accepted as a sovereign nation, you think she'd struggle to get a well known member of the royal family diplomatic immunity?

Yes the U.S. Government in the Marvel Universe loves islands of Superhumans off their coast. She's holding the gun of a army of superhumans to the head of the world she's Magneto without the sympathetic backstory.

[Iron Fist]

Yes the U.S. Government in the Marvel Universe loves islands of Superhumans off their coast. She's holding the gun of a army of superhumans to the head of the world she's Magneto without the sympathetic backstory.

But people think she'd struggle to establish her family's diplomatic immunity ....