Has anyone else read Dwayne McDuffie’s run? It feels like it would have been a classic if it lasted longer.
(On a different note, I should read Hickman’s run soon).
Has anyone else read Dwayne McDuffie’s run? It feels like it would have been a classic if it lasted longer.
(On a different note, I should read Hickman’s run soon).
But you would have to admit that at the time you were in the minority. I have to say it has grown on me as a complication and this go round is showing that additive. As a traditional relationship that was still a loser for me and Here I am going to step on some toes perhaps but not fond of Ben and Alicia marriage. I see the arguments for it but am not persuaded which has as much to do with the heavy handed execution in my opinion as Johnny's Lyja story at the start seemed to be as pointed out the long term wasn't in Defalco's plan.
"Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
Wolverine, Venom Annual # 1 (2018)
Nobody does it better by Jeff Loveness
"I am Thou, Thou Art I"
Persona
"Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
Wolverine, Venom Annual # 1 (2018)
Nobody does it better by Jeff Loveness
"I am Thou, Thou Art I"
Persona
I recall John Byrne discussing the Alicia/Johnny romance on his forum some years back and he really hadn't decided how that would go. Most people think he was the one that married them off but it really is Roger Stern that did the deed in his brief FF run after Byrne left Marvel and went over to DC. I also recall reading that Stern assumed that John Byrne wanted the marriage to take place so he was simply following through.
Here is a link to Byrne's FAQ page on his forum and I will quote him here:
CBR Columnist Brian Cronin also writes about the Lyja/Alicia switch in this column How a Joke Ultimately Led to Alicia Becoming a Skrull.Q: Would Johnny and Alicia have gotten married if JB had continued writing the FF?
JB: By the time I left the FF I had reached a rhythm with the characters that I was literally making it up as I went along. Letting the characters "tell" me where the stories were going to go, with very little actually plotting out beyond the issue I was working on. General ideas of where I needed to end up, but nothing specific.
Because of this, I did not know when I left if I would actually have had Johnny and Alicia get married. I suspect not, but I don't know for sure. The characters themselves had not yet "told" me the way it was supposed to go! (8/12/2005)
Q: Whose idea was it for Alicia Masters to be revealed as a Skrull? Was it John's intention to have a Skrull masquerading as Alicia Masters when Johnny Storm fell in love with her or was that Tom DeFalco's idea?
JB: DeFalco. Undoing the Johnny/Alicia relationship was, of course, the prerogative of any writer(s) who followed me on FF. My only complaint: I wish DeFalco had not chosen such a clumsy and "comic-booky" (in the worst sense of the term) way of doing it. (8/12/2005) DeFalco wrote some of the best Spider-Man of the post-Stern years, but he seemed totally out of his depth on the FF. (1/25/2006)
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I think if anything this shows that there were too many cooks that created this "dish" concerining Alicia & Johnny falling in love leading to Alicia being a Skrull. And those cooks were Byrne, Stern & DeFalco. I think part of the problem was that the relationship with Ben & Alicia had gotten a bit stale. No one wanted to pull the trigger and have them marry. I'm still not so sure that was a good idea in the current FF run.
fandom.com also reminded me that the Secret Wars gave people timing and situations to deal with imposed from the highest level.
After six years together Ben began to reconsider his relationship with her between Thing #2–10. Later, during the Secret Wars. In Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #12 Ben decided to stay on Battleworld to sort out his feelings. He remained there from Thing #11–22. In the meantime, circa Fantastic Four #265 and as revealed in Fantastic Four #358, Alicia was replaced by the Skrull spy named Lyja who then started pursuing a relationship with Johnny. Ben fell for this ruse when he returned to Earth in Fantastic Four #277. This prompted him to leave the Fantastic Four in Thing #23.
He then began pursing Sharon Ventura in Thing #26.
Yeah, seems like a really weird direction for the story to go in. Doesn't make sense to me. It's the sort of thing that'd make me, as a reader, think there was a hidden plot... like a Skrull imposter.
Honestly? the Ben and Alicia stuff could just get shuffled into the background if it's "boring".Well, I jumped in AFTER the Alicia part was already history, so... I looked at that after the reveal had taken place.
https://www.cbr.com/uncharted-direct...antastic-four/
Please be F4, please be F4, please please please.... (Hank, Janet, Scott or Nadia appearing in the game would be dope too. Scott's been part of the team before)
Iron maiden posted an interview with Byrne that pretty much stated the skrull imposter was not his udea.
Yeah, until Slott and his heavy handed family writing (which I do like), Ben and Alicia were not nearly as important a subplot.
DeFalco has been the only writer who has used Lyja the most. He has a much higher opinion of the character than other writers who have not written her as favorably. One could say that Lyja is DeFalco's pet character.
I’ll don the mask and wear the cape
If I am super, how can I wait?