Because the World Still Needs Heroes - Champions Appreciation 2019

[CrimsonEchidna]

I kinda feel bad for Zub. I think the problems for the book went beyond him and the idea of the book not clicking.

Sad thing is there was quite a bit of readers who were straight up pirating the book to the point where Zub actually addressed the issue.

Yeah, unless the book immediately relaunches, you're right.

Ms. Marvel - still has her solo.
Spider-Man - still has his solo.
Nova - probably limbo.
Brawn - Agents of Atlas.
Viv - likely to be in limbo, unless she gets involved in Iron Man, which Vision is about to show up in.
Nadia - ditto, as Janet's also in Iron Man.
Snowguard - the only way she's sticking around is an immediate Champions relaunch or if Zub gets Alpha Flight.
Ironheart - still has her solo.
Falcon - As long as the OTHER Falcon is in limbo, so will he.
Patriot - Ditto, unless he appears in a Marvel Rising comic.
Locust - probably limbo.
Dust - depends on the second wave X books. If there's a book with the teens she could be used there.
Pinpoint - definitely limbo.
Power Man - probably limbo.
Bombshell - will still appear in Miles's book.

I'd say for the long term, Miles and Kamala are likely to always have their own solos going. Riri is kind of in this weird spot where I'm assuming her book is likely to get wrapped up at Issue #12.

[Snoop Dogg]

i feel bad that he's not gonna see things through, but--

I built this new take on the team as a way to try and bridge classic teen superheroic drama with an eclectic cast of characters – old school Marvel brought to the present with a new generation of heroes.

this was the problem with the book

[Digifiend]

I've always thought they relaunched at the wrong time. They should've had a new #1 as soon as Zub took over.

At least, his run did last longer than Waid's. 19-27, 1-10, plus the two Infinity Countdown issues and the Snowguard annual makes 22 issues total. Waid only managed 18. The Monsters Unleashed tie-in was by Jeremy Whitley.

[Dragonick]

I wonder if which one of the situations will be resolved, the Mephisto thing or the Ultron thing?

I've always thought they relaunched at the wrong time. They should've had a new #1 as soon as Zub took over.

At least, his run did last longer than Waid's. 19-27, 1-10, plus the two Infinity Countdown issues and the Snowguard annual makes 22 issues total. Waid only managed 18. The Monsters Unleashed tie-in was by Jeremy Whitley.

All things considered that's a pretty decent length for a run these days.

[Personamanx]

Disappointing, but not unexpected. I enjoyed what I've read of his run, but I certainly wasn't buying the issues with any regularity. Zub's a good egg, and 20 odd issues isn't anything to sneeze at. A cancellation isn't a failure. I'll still be supporting his D&D work.

[Digifiend]

I wonder if which one of the situations will be resolved, the Mephisto thing or the Ultron thing?

All things considered that's a pretty decent length for a run these days.

Neither, I think. Iron Man (which Zub is co-writing) seems to have adopted the Ultron plot, so don't be surprised if Viv and Nadia show up there (Vision and Janet are involved after all). The Mephisto thing is probably the December linewide event, they keep teasing - in which case, expect Miles's solo book to handle that one.

[Frontier]

Sad thing is there was quite a bit of readers who were straight up pirating the book to the point where Zub actually addressed the issue.

I wonder how much pirating hurts comics.

I mean, I know it's an issue, but it makes you wonder if it impacts certain titles more then others.

i feel bad that he's not gonna see things through, but--



this was the problem with the book

How so?

[Magmaster12]

A cancellation like this hurts me badly, it makes me want to stop getting comics all together now because no matter what I read it's just going to get canceled anyway.

[Snoop Dogg]

He said, and you could see it in the book, that he was tackling it like a successor to an old-school teen book like New Mutants or New Warriors and whatnot, but this leads to one small problem and one major problem

The small one is that he scripted it like one, which is up to preference but you can just see it. How the kids talk and the way omniscient narration shows up and how their voices just kinda bleed together. It makes the book feel dated to me.

The bigger problem is that he plotted it like an old book where you can let subplots just boil over for months because you're Chris Claremont, but he wasn't in the position where he has that kind of creator clout to do that and have his seeds sprout later down the line. Waid kept the book small and intimate, so going big is the correct play once he's done. But you really don't have time to spend months on old Alpha Flight villains and Man-Thing because you're position at the table isn't secure. His issues aren't decompressed, but we're at an exceptional 21 issue total and the book will still have that feeling of being cut really short. More conservative planning, is what I'm saying.

[ARkadelphia]

Because I demand it... a Pinpoint solo!

What do you say, Marvel?

[9th.]

Well this hurts....a lot. It was my favorite teen title.

[protege]

Because I demand it... a Pinpoint solo!

What do you say, Marvel?

Speaking of pinpoint, where did he go?

[Cowtools]

Man this is a real bummer.
I just re-read the series starting with ANAD Avengers, so now I'm extra bummed.

Hope we get some closure on Viv's arc at least.

I also hope we can keep this thread going to keep track of all the characters as they crop up in other books

[Frontier]

The small one is that he scripted it like one, which is up to preference but you can just see it. How the kids talk and the way omniscient narration shows up and how their voices just kinda bleed together. It makes the book feel dated to me.

Moreso then the Waid run?

[Snoop Dogg]

Moreso then the Waid run?

The best part of the Waid run was how distinguished everyone's personality was. That's also thanks to Ramos.