Jean Grey: Phoenix/Marvel Girl Appreciation 2020

[Havok83]

you are telling lies and I'm conspirator? post the issue and the writing credits then.
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Will it matter? People post multiple scans and you refute every one.

[spirit2011]

AVX for X-Men and Phoenix was badly written. The fact youre that your in such denial that it didn't do bad to whole X-Men franchise and everyone knows it is why I am telling that it's just your conspiracy

proof that Claremont wrote that avengers issue

[Will Evans]

Stick Jean with a villain.

Look at Monet-Sabretooth, Husk-Toad, Betsy-Blob, Moira-Apocalypse, Rogue-Magneto, Iceman-Mystique, Bishop-Deathbird

[spirit2011]

Stick Jean with a villain.

Look at Monet-Sabretooth, Husk-Toad, Betsy-Blob, Moira-Apocalypse, Rogue-Magneto, Iceman-Mystique

these are all bad ships and jean wouldn't even date a villain,.

Will it matter? People post multiple scans and you refute every one.

The people interpretation doesn't match the content, but it is hard to deny a writer credit

[Will Evans]

these are all bad ships and jean wouldn't even date a villain,.

Is Exodus available?

[spirit2011]

Is Exodus available?

dude has zero personality and jean wouldn't date him,

[franckd]

sure, but what happened is sxual crime then. you can't rewrite it

I know you ignore on purpose what I say, so I will keep saying it : I was talking about social perception. In the context of the time, an unwanted kiss was not socially seen as a sexual crime. And that's why movies, series, books of the time had plenty of unexpected/unwanted kisses.

Again, you can hate it, but you can rewrite the past according your desires, like you're rewriting what is canon (or not) in a book, or like you're rewriting CC and Morrison's sales.

[Triniking1234]

I'm still waiting for this evidence of Logan's sexual harassment. Bad flirting isn't sexual harassment.

[Will Evans]

dude has zero personality and jean wouldn't date him,

He seems like a stand up guy that knows how to treat a woman.

[franckd]

Will it matter? People post multiple scans and you refute every one.

I always put comics selling numbers under her nose, proving that she tells crap about sales. Even with the numbers she denies them. So I don't hold my breath with scans either.

[Vishop]

proof that Claremont wrote that avengers issue

You only quoted half of what I said geez.

[spirit2011]

You only quoted half of what I said geez.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers_Vol_1_200 here is. No claremont, so you can stop with it

I always put comics selling numbers under her nose, proving that she tells crap about sales. Even with the numbers she denies them. So I don't hold my breath with scans either.

I don't think so, you just put the more convenient numbers like first issue.

I'm still waiting for this evidence of Logan's sexual harassment. Bad flirting isn't sexual harassment.

kissing without consentment is flirting now? touching women bottoms is flirting now?

[franckd]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers_Vol_1_200 here is. No claremont, so you can stop with it



I don't think so, you just put the more convenient numbers like first issue.

Stop lying.

First, I mentioned Revolution and Reloaded. Were they flagships or not??? So don't change the narrative because it's convenient to you.
Also, about Hickman's sales : the last time CC was on a flag book, was in 2004, so sure, comparing the industry then and now is like comparing the industry in 1990 with 2006.... That's biased, again.
And you maybe say it as many time you want, but last CC's flagship was reloaded. He sold 112.076 copies for Uncanny and 107.134 for X-men (his firsts reloaded issues) I hardly see how he sold more than Morrison first issue (144.835 copies) lol

One year later, CC's reloaded book were selling around 80.000 copies
One year after his first issue, Morrison was still selling around 110.000 copies

I know that you love to twist reality, so it's important to show you facts.

Anyway, it's always "nice" to see it's always the same people who turn an appreciation thread into a Morrison and Hickman bashing.

I hope so, lol

The great things about numbers, is that they're real. Morrison did not lose half of his sales through the years. Claremont did lost more than 50% of his sales with X-Treme X-Men. Again this is FACTS, not perception.

Claremont, on a flagship book of the reload era :

May 2004
Uncanny X-Men #444 (First issue of Chris Claremont new run) : 112,207 copies sold

2 years later...

May 2006
Uncanny X-Men #473 (Chris Claremont finale issue) : 79,303 copies sold

To sum up,
- X-Treme X-Men lost more than 50 % of its readers in 3 years
- Uncanny X-Men lost around 30% of its readers in 2 years...

And yeah, yeah, it's all Morrison's fault...

[Will Evans]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers_Vol_1_200 here is. No claremont, so you can stop with it



I don't think so, you just put the more convenient numbers like first issue.



kissing without consentment is flirting now? touching women bottoms is flirting now?

Nightcrawler and Beast have both kissed people without their consent to flirt.

Tony Stark would hit Pepper Potts butt to flirt. Daredevil would hit Black Widow’s butt to flirt.

[Vishop]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers_Vol_1_200 here is. No claremont

Fine show me where did I mention that he didn't WROTE that book. Although you clearly ignore your end of dismissing the fact that AvX, IvX and Axis did bad to X-Men. But sure everyone in CBR will agree with you Lmao