the biggest role Jean played in the destruction of her marriage was becoming Phoenix host, which probably wasnt her fault and there was nothing she could do about it. it made her too godlike, unrelatable and detached from regular mortals.
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the biggest role Jean played in the destruction of her marriage was becoming Phoenix host, which probably wasnt her fault and there was nothing she could do about it. it made her too godlike, unrelatable and detached from regular mortals.
IDA with that. Ive read Morrison's run and Jean was still very much a compassionate person. Detached from regular mortals? She was all about "regular" mortals as she went on a world tour connecting with mutants across the globe and that was after serving as headmistress to the children at the mansion. Even her flipping out at Emma when she learned about the affair showed that she was still very much in tune with human emotions. How exactly was she too godlike and unrelateable? Jean didnt become godlike until the very end of the run just as she was about to die and even then its hard to say she was too detached from everyone bc we only got that for a few panels and then she dies
This is the warm, friendly Jean about the "regular mortals" in New X-men
Last edited by Havok83; 09-13-2019 at 01:32 PM.
Honestly this keeps being brought up, and I dont see it. Jean was not some cold, distant robot in NXM. Just because Emma says it during their confrontation doesn't make it true. Jean tried to talk with Scott, she didn't ignore what was going on between them, but were interrupted by Xavier (Nova) outing himself on national TV...then it one crisis after the next.
They both made the same mistake of confiding into others instead of themselves. The big difference is that one led into an affair and the other was stopped in its tracks by Logan.
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I agree that editorial took the easy way out by killing Jean off. There's plenty that was wrong with that, and more so why it was done. This whole triangle was born from a very questionable set of circumstances, it was perpetuated by warping Scott and Jean's relationship and history basically beyond recognition. Writing Jean out was equally ham handed, but fit the established pattern. This is an inevitable consequence of deciding on a story and discarding characterization to make it happen. It's hardly uncommon. This was just had much bigger consequences than most.
Now it's Hickman's mess, inherited from Rosenberg who did the only thing he really could with it. He decided that it didn't matter anymore. Given the time he had to work with which was basically a few pages in PR 5 and a few pages in UXM 22, I don't think there was any other way. Marvel, I think, mostly wants us to collectively forget about the whole thing, which in the end may end up being for the best. I highly doubt there's a resolution with the affair that would satisfying even the majority, let alone everyone. That said, that may yet explore that in the future, but I wouldn't count on it.
Size aside, can a relationship between a woman and Galactus be possible? if Jean goes full Phoenix, any relationship is impossible because it becomes too unequal, like a relationship between a Dalit from India with the president of the USA. She could have destroyed and recreated Scott atom by atom, or known any secret of him just looking at him. And it's a relationship that involves a third being, the Phoenix. It's a relationship of a man with a woman with another being inside of her/possessing her.
But you are talking about hypothetical about things which were not true during the run. That may have been a concern had Jean not survived in Planet X, but it most definitely wasnt the case for the bulk of the run, which is why I cant cosign with this notion that Jean's contribitution to the destruction of her marriage was bc she was too godly and detached from humanity. That was not the Jean that interacted with Scott at any point in that era. Maybe it would have been going forward but again, she died before we could find out
jean pretty much said the same thing said to Logan to Scott. She was trying to reach to Scott and him didn't wanted it.
the mistake is only from Scott
Morrison wrote a very different story than the one that he claims that he wrote. I think Jean was a bit more colder, but that was true to most of x-men too.
Their discussion wasnt about her struggling with that or anything They discussed the increase in her powers (splitting up his mind and TK sensitivity) but Jean didnt express feeling detached or that humanity was feeling beneath her
Even if one were to accept that she was becoming what was said about her, why should she maligned for something that hadnt happened? Its a copout. Jean possibly becoming more godlike is not why her marriage crumbled.
Guys, a grown man deciding to cheat is never the fault of the man who cheated, the poor little lamb. Blame those devil wenches. Scarlet letters for all the harlots who were never doing enough for him!
It's still talked about because Jean Grey has never and will never get to react in any way to what happened. She's back and the books pretend the Morrison run didn't happen to her. I find the psychology behind that fascinating.
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