The JL team that Doomsday fought in the original story weren't exactly push overs either having defeated Despero and the Dominators. A guy whose only power was to hit hard and whose brain was so underevolved he didn't even have the ability of speech does not require only Superman to beat. The whole story was poorly handled with Kon-El and John Henry Irons being the only good things to come out of it.
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07-28-2018, 09:42 PM #16Junior Member
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Of course, the OTHER option is to follow MARVELs lead and not have any single character who is just ridiculously over powered
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If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
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07-29-2018, 12:36 AM #18Extraordinary Member
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I would say it depends on how hard he is hitting you. Originally Posted by Agent Z
The comic book Dominators are just fancy pants Skrulls without even shape changing powers to make them dangerous. As for Despero, they LOST that fight until Jonn pulled some Martian mind-whammy. He said he could only do it once, and even if it had been an option how do you Brian twist a thing with so little brain?If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
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07-29-2018, 12:37 AM #19Extraordinary Member
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I would say it depends on how hard he is hitting you. Originally Posted by Agent Z
The comic book Dominators are just fancy pants Skrulls without even shape changing powers to make them dangerous. As for Despero, they LOST that fight until Jonn pulled some Martian mind-whammy. He said he could only do it once, and even if it had been an option how do you Brian twist a thing with so little brain?If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
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Doomsday fight with Wonder Woman was fine it wasn't really a jobbing.The only person who got jobbed was Martian Manhunter and he got hilarious taken out of the picture. I kept waiting for JL to jump back in fight but this was a Superman movie and it was trying to accurate adapt the story where supes dies. In Justice League scenarios Wonder woman rejoins the fight at some point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtGHuM1GYMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcxtO6mCsULast edited by Killerbee911; 07-29-2018 at 02:45 AM.
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07-29-2018, 02:28 AM #21BANNED
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ugh double post
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They don't really go into specifics, but their conversation while working out in the satellite implied Diana had difficulty adjusting to Clark's civilian life in their relationship. They admitted what they had was "nice" and left it at that. Originally Posted by RealWonderman
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07-29-2018, 03:18 AM #23Extraordinary Member
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Sure! Just look at all those Superman ripoffs Marvel has! Originally Posted by brettc1
Of course, the OTHER option is to follow MARVELs lead and not have any single character who is just ridiculously over powered
Just look at the MCU! Where Captain Marvel is apparently going to be pushing planets around and kicking Thanos' ass!
Yep! Good ol' Marvel! Home of power egalitarianism!Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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07-29-2018, 03:19 AM #24Extraordinary Member
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Double post.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
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Which is honestly not a good thing in my book. If she's so overpowered, Avengers-like movies will have a really hard time justifying the rest of the teams as anything else than cannon fodder. Plus, after Thanos, I can't see how they'll be able to develop massive-scale villains able to top him. Originally Posted by Vanguard-01
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07-29-2018, 03:36 AM #26Astonishing Member
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Which is honestly not a good thing in my book. If she's so overpowered, Avengers-like movies will have a really hard time justifying the rest of the teams as anything else than cannon fodder. Plus, after Thanos, I can't see how they'll be able to develop massive-scale villains able to top him. Originally Posted by Vanguard-01
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07-29-2018, 03:48 AM #27Legendary Member
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Originally Posted by Vanguard-01
Dude, you don't even have to wait for Captain Marvel to Mary Sue her way into AVENGERS 4 for a worthy example of an OP teammate in the MCU.
Post-IW Thor.
With his upgraded strength, speed, durability, natural lightning abilities, AND Stormbreaker (a major upgrade over Mjolnir) ...
MCU Odinson could solo the rest of the MCU Avengers without PIS.
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Yep. If she was just going to be a short-term appearance, it may be okay. But Marvel's made it clear that she's going to be the new face of the MCU moving forward. Originally Posted by Korath
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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07-29-2018, 03:52 AM #29Extraordinary Member
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Double post.
Last edited by Vanguard-01; 07-29-2018 at 03:54 AM.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
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07-29-2018, 03:57 AM #30Extraordinary Member
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Also very true. The mere fact that he effectively one-shotted an already-omnipotent Thanos is pretty much proof of that. If he HAD aimed for Thanos' head as Thanos suggested, the whole war would've ended with no major losses beyond Vision. Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
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