Renew Your Vows Sales Predictions

[Lasse]

So pretty much just here to troll about a book you're not reading and won't be reading in the future.

*sigh*

The internet...

No, not troll. Following the discussions, but calling a statement out that didn't seem to make sense. The thing is, I don't wish ill on these books or you in any way at all. I'm just "at peace" that it's not for me anymore.

[Zeitgeist]

I'm not saying the book is definitely going to happen, but Marvel have launched books based on less than RYV #1's numbers. (That makes it sound like I definitely think it's going to happen. I want to reiterate that I don't think such a book is guaranteed unless Marvel themselves announce it.)

Have Marvel ever launched a book based on just what one issue has sold though, is what I'm getting at.

[Panfoot]

Have Marvel ever launched a book based on just what one issue has sold though, is what I'm getting at.

Spider-Gwen?

[Lasse]

Spider-Gwen?

Spider-girl as well, right? Wasn't that based on a single 'What if?' issue?

[Mister Mets]

Spider-girl as well, right? Wasn't that based on a single 'What if?' issue?

Let's not forget Amazing Fantasy #15.

[CrimsonEchidna]

Let's not forget Amazing Fantasy #15.

And Ultimate Spider-Man, if I remember correctly, was only supposed to be a mini-series.

[Lasse]

Hah! Yeah, that's the Ultimate example!

Edit: this was referring to Amazing Fantasy 15, but I forgot to quote that post.

[Dan Slott]

And Ultimate Spider-Man, if I remember correctly, was only supposed to be a mini-series.

I don't believe that's the case. Bill Jemas was banking on Ultimate Spider-Man to not just be an ongoing series-- but a top-selling ongoing series.
LOTS of promotion went into USM. Major roll-out. Lots of formats to get into as many hands as possible.

[Dan Slott]

With SPIDER-GWEN, SPIDER-GIRL, and (yes) even AF #15...
...it wasn't just a case of overwhelming demand,
it was a case of surprising & disproportionate overwhelming demand.
In each case, Marvel was not expecting these books to be major hits-- let alone, blow-the-doors-off major hits.

In the case of RYV...
A Secret Wars tie-in...
A Secret Wars tie-in with Spider-Man...
A Secret Wars tie-in with the long missing marriage reinstated...
A Secret Wars tie-in with art by comic book master, Adam Kubert...
A Secret Wars tie-in written by the regular ASM writer and promising elements that would continue on into the regular book...

Marvel KNEW it was going to be a hit.
Marvel KNEW it was going to do ludicrously well.
So the expectations were set pretty damn high.

That's a pretty big difference.

[Panfoot]

That still kind of comes down to there being a lot of demand though...

[Lasse]

Sure. Demand and interest should be demand and interest after all?

As for Ultimate Spider-Man, I don't think it was intended as a mini series either. The whole Ultimate Universe was soon to follow USM, so it must have been on the planning stages as well. It's a shame that they went to the Ultimatum route, though. That was a baaaad event, and it didn't seem to me that they knew what to do with that universe afterwards either. At first the Ultimate comics were a fresh start for classic heroes in modern settings, that appealed to both old and new readers. I remember liking Ultimate Spider-Man far more than the regular Spidey books penned by John Byrne and Howard Mackie at the time.

[Mister Mets]

And Ultimate Spider-Man, if I remember correctly, was only supposed to be a mini-series.

I believe that was supposed to be a monthly.

However, Mark Bagley had only signed on for six issues, figuring he'll only be on the book for a little while.

[squirecam]

With SPIDER-GWEN, SPIDER-GIRL, and (yes) even AF #15...
...it wasn't just a case of overwhelming demand,
it was a case of surprising & disproportionate overwhelming demand.
In each case, Marvel was not expecting these books to be major hits-- let alone, blow-the-doors-off major hits.

In the case of RYV...
A Secret Wars tie-in...
A Secret Wars tie-in with Spider-Man...
A Secret Wars tie-in with the long missing marriage reinstated...
A Secret Wars tie-in with art by comic book master, Adam Kubert...
A Secret Wars tie-in written by the regular ASM writer and promising elements that would continue on into the regular book...

Marvel KNEW it was going to be a hit.
Marvel KNEW it was going to do ludicrously well.
So the expectations were set pretty damn high.

That's a pretty big difference.

So Marvel KNOWS they have a big hit with a married spider-man. But wont produce a book?

Seems like they are deliberately leaving $ on the table then if no book is produced. So either Marvel can make a book they KNOW will be in demand or they are stubborn and will leave the money aside.

[squirecam]

Then they can make a new comic for the people who prefer Ben Reilly as the main Spider-Man. Then a comic where Spider-Man is still in his Man-Spider form, a comic where Spider-Man is always in the black costume, and THEN a comic where Spider-Man was replaced by Spidercide - foolproof!

Alot of people would read a Ben book, whether he is Spider-man or Scarlet Spider or Spider-dude.

The reason Ben failed was not because of his character. It was because Marvel INSISTED that the Spidey you read about was not the "real" one. Rather than simply allowing Pete to retire (but check-in from time) and Ben to be Spider-man. Barry and Wally were both Flash. And both are loved. There are thousands of Green lanterns. There are even infinity "spider-characters". The problem was Marvel, not Ben.

[Vortex85]

Im confused with RYVs and how it serves Marvels goals for Spidey. On one hand they want us to move on from the marriage so we can care about other relationships for Peter. But then they release a high profile book featuring the marriage which only reignites reader interest in the Watson/Parker marriage. It seems counterproductive and sets them back on having readers move on.


They keep asking fans to not care so they can push other relationships , then ask us to care for RYVs, then say not to care anymore because it was à limited time thing....