Wrong she wasn't his therapist, it does matter if she has a license, is paid, is taking clinical notes she wasn't acting in any professional capacity. He came to her because he felt alive when he was around her. And his marriage was dead. He came for sex. Which is apparent as all they did was swap fantasies of their favorite sex positions. Which is what was bothering Cyclops in the first place. He wanted to try new sex things since Apocalypse brought certain thoughts to the fire front. And was embarrassed not depressed but embarrassed
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lol Emma was not his therapist. And she certainly didn't rape him.
I don't get the fandom for a character who can't admit when he wants to bang a girl, does bang her, and then still can't admit it. It's lame, and this type of scapegoating, both in the stories and from the fans, is reason #2 why I absolutely can not stand the character.
It's too bad Rosenberg is going to chain Jean back to him (on top of the rest of his bad take on her).
That's Jean's opinion, not Scott's. Or are we doing the whole, their marriage is deeply broken but she can still speak on his behalf thing? Never at any one point that Jean is alive does Scott say he loves, or chooses Emma.
Jean was already dead. No choice remained. Regardless HCT had already occurred. PhoenixJean choose Emma for Scott. Scott never chose her of his own volition. It may not be convenient, but that story happened, and effected everything that came after, including Endsong.
Actually didn't the Cuckoos' say it was Emma's thoughts about Scott that were all sweaty and hot? Regardless, that ain't love either.
Wasn't that the beginning of the Assault on Weapon Plus arc? Scott had just been confronted by his wife. In no way was he at the hellfire club to "get off". If anything he was there to get shitfaced drunk because of the mess the whole situation had become.
Maybe he wasn't depressed. Perhaps you could consult the DSM on the symptoms of possession by a vile and malevolent being are?
Again not acting in any professional capacity even if you want to believe that she really is a qualified sex therapist. She was acting in the capacity as a friend. And Cyclops issues was that he wanted to try new things sex wise and was embarrassed. Wolverine even said to him Jean would be happy to try those things he just needs to tell her.
He went to Emma to talk about sexual fantasies he was having and try them.
What does that matter be chose Emma as confirmed in Endsong. Scott didn't end the marriage despite wanting and longing for another women?
No Phoenix removed Cyclops guilt. She didn't change his mind as his mind was set on Emma. But he felt guilty how he treated Jean and wanted to suffer instead of be happy with Emma.Jean was already dead. No choice remained. Regardless HCT had already occurred. PhoenixJean choose Emma for Scott. Scott never chose her of his own volition. It may not be convenient, but that story happened, and effected everything that came after, including Endsong.
Scott was sweaty and naked in the same panel. Who cares if it ain't love he wanted sex.Actually didn't the Cuckoos' say it was Emma's thoughts about Scott that were all sweaty and hot? Regardless, that ain't love either.
He went to stare at hellfire club girls. Plenty of bars nearby without them.Wasn't that the beginning of the Assault on Weapon Plus arc? Scott had just been confronted by his wife. In no way was he at the hellfire club to "get off". If anything he was there to get shitfaced drunk because of the mess the whole situation had become.
It explained in the story what he was going through. He was having seedy thoughts and sexual fantasies and was embarrassed. Nothing more then that. So no not mentally illMaybe he wasn't depressed. Perhaps you could consult the DSM on the symptoms of possession by a vile and malevolent being are?
We don't have a single panel of Scott's feelings for Emma being developed in New X-Men; Jean doesn't assert anything regarding Scott's feelings towards Emma, and they're only elaborated on later in Whedon's Astonishing X-Men, when Scott himself says that things have changed because he loves Emma now. I could be wrong of course, feel free to correct me if that's the case.
It occurred to me as I was typing this that the majority of these arguments are moot anyways; very little from Morrison's run has been used in any significant way or has been altered beyond his intention or retconned or just badly handled by editorial. So many of the talking points I've seen here have even been outright contradicted by Marvel themselves, including my own.
I think that you could argue that Emma did take advantage of him to an extent, but i'm not sure if Scott was unable to give proper consent... is really difficult to determine for me.
That being said i think that he has feelings for Emma before HCT, Jean only free him for his guilt about then, even if you think of her as his rapist, sometimes the victim party develop feelings for the other..... is a horrible thing, but it does happen, more reason for me to not really like it.