While X-men Red was good, and Jean was great there I still feel it was not her best version. It is among the best. Taylor is now up ther with Morrison and Claremont.I think Jean was too passive and pacifist and her personality was more of the den mother type. The best Jean still has her compassion but she should still have her passionate and fiery side. To me the standard will always be the Grant Morrison version.
Of course, unlike some fans here I don't buy into the narrative that the Phoenix takes anything away from Jean.I think it only adds to her and taking her back to the X-factor/Gold team version of Jean has been done before and it is nothing new.
I do like Jean as a leader and a mutant rights leader.
I try not to get too upset about it because I could rant on end about what they have done to the Phoenix. I felt during Morrison's run they finally put Jean and Phoenix back together the way Claremont intended them to be. It was time to move forward and forget the Phoenix as a cosmic std. Boy, was I wrong. Things were good up until Endsong.
Now the Phoenix is a cosmic trickster and a destructive force. Claremont and Morrison had the Phoenix be a agent of good (saving the universe, healing the universe, etc). It was also an agent of change/evolution. There were dark elements but in both stories it was when Jean was manipulated by outside forces (Hellfire Club, Sublime,). Now the narrative is that it is a villain and too dangerous to wield. We forget that Jean used the Phoenix before becoming Dark Phoenix. We forget that Jean used the Phoenix well in Morrison's run. We forget Rachel using the Phoenix for good (though she had dark urges too: see her trying to destroy the universe to defeat the Beyonder, forcing Storm and others to help her, and trying to murder Selene).
Rosenberg's take was so damaging because we can infer when Jean has done good things as Phoenix she just willingly giving herself over to her emotional and manipulative abuser lol His take is so bad. What really annoys me is that he acts like he did something new with her, but it was just a rest. The only good from it was that Jean wasnt' retconned. I was fully prepared for them to say that Jean in Morrison's run was a Phoenix clone. At least we did not get that.
I read Major X and while the book can be a bit ridiculous for my taste I liked that Cable and Jean were there and Cable was super protective for Jean.
I think it is super cute, i love both characters and their convoluted relationship.
Has anybody read Marvel Comics presents? it is worth for Jean fans?
Edit: cute picture!
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Do any of you consider the original Dark Phoenix to be a feminist story? Because for some reason a lot of people seem to think it is...
It depends, some people think it is about a girl going crazy then dying.
I personally see it as a woman growing out of childhood, being strong and at the end being responsible for her own live and actions, taking a really difficult decision. So it is a feminist story to me but i get if some people think it isn't
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I think it worked more for the 80s than now. My problem is that people take it wrong, it isn't about a woman not dealing well with great power.
Jean was doing well on her own, then hellfire club messed up her head and all the balance she had, then she went dark phoenix.It's about society sabotaging women
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I'm glad for Jean and Nathan moments, but him calling her "Precious Jean" just sounds weird somehow.
I don't really consider it a feminist story. But I don't consider it sexist either. It's better than most ~powerful women go crazy~ storylines, including House of M and the ending of GOT.
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