I enjoyed the non Batwoman parts of Tynion's Tec. I have much longer track record of enjoying his work than I do King's so while he wasn't my first choice (nor was he a choice I even considered) I'm fine with this.
I enjoyed the non Batwoman parts of Tynion's Tec. I have much longer track record of enjoying his work than I do King's so while he wasn't my first choice (nor was he a choice I even considered) I'm fine with this.
I actually agree that the execution of Tynion's Tec run sometimes slipped, even if it's in my top ten runs of all time. I'm worried that he got burnt out on the Batfam...but I hope he has the same fierce love of them that he's had for 7 years.
Indeed!
I'd love to see him do that Cass/Shiva/Batman/Ra's story!
And I didn't consider it, either, but it makes sense.
I mean, I could now buy both, instead of just Bat/Cat!
I didn't expect it at all, so this is a happy surprise.
I obviously had my own favorites of the characters he chose. I dunno if I'd say I was more a Kate than a Bruce fan, but Tynion definitely gave Kate more to do. But I love the way he writes Bruce.
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My first thought was "oh, ok". Did not hate or love it. Figured it would be all right.
Tynion honestly makes the most sense.
If the book is going back to monthly, it means the expected "big new writer and direction" with issue 100 wouldn't hit for another year. During that year, DC's going to have whatever big mega event they've had planned spinning out of whatever Justice League is doing now. Having the co-writer of that book handling Batman makes sense. Even more so now that Batman, their biggest book, can be able to connect to big crossover events again now that it's free of King's 100+ issue game plan.
Seems the most logical route to take to me.
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I wish Tom Taylor would replace Tom King.
I like how he wrote Bruce and Selina's relationship in the Injustice Comics.
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Tynion will be a serviceable writer, I thought his 'Tec run was pretty good (even great sometimes) despite some complaints, I'm more curious what they are gonna do with Luke Fox. I cringed at the idea at first BUT, thinking about it , it may be something interesting to see. Luke is such a nothing character to me, they could really do just about anything to flesh him out and do something interesting with his character.
Plus, his Batwing suit is one of my favorite batfamily suits of all time, I'm curious to see what he'll look like as Batman and (ideally) something new independent of the Bat after the fact. However, I am worried they are gonna make him too mech-y/ironman-esque. If he's gonna be Black Batman I don't want him in a mobile tank blowing motherfuckers away, I want him to be Batman; in a costume with high-tech gear (not a suit of armor) giving people that work.
I know Christopher Priest wouldn't do it but I sincerely hope they didn't do this so they can offer Preist the book, since his name has popped up a couple times about replacing King (he was my first pick).
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So is he going to write this big Scarecrow story he wanted to do now that he's not writing the rest of the bat-family https://twitter.com/JamesTheFourth/s...13183518257152
this the wrong take on many things
first I dont think they are firing King of the book because of sales but rather because of how the direction was working out on the main Batman book, hence why King is still continuing his arc in Batman & Catwoman
second point is that yeah Tynion is not that high level writer yet, but he is not meant to be a permanent replacement, he is only ere from 86-100 then someone else takes over
if anything this kind of proves that DC needs some other high level writers but I wouldnt write off Tynion at all until we se what he will do. I for one loved his arcs in Tec and hoping to see more.
and finally once again I dont understand why this is somehow Didio's fault, literally everything bad falls on him. but the rumor is that it was someone else, I believe Harras but i dont remember exactly, disliked the direction that King was taking the book so they use the lose of sales as an excuse to move him.
I believe i might have post this already at the beginning of the thread
overall
I dont really mind what is going on
at the end of the day we will still have the story that King wanted to tell, just that it will split between Batman and B&C, and then we will have someone getting a shot at writing the book while te next direction is being decided on.
As far as the King stuff I honestly have no idea what happened. lots of people think he was fired but that doesn't exactly match given that it seems weird they let him immediately get another Batman book to essentially finish his story
I think what bugs me about tynion is that he had a chance to write a pretty long extended arc on multiple batman books and essentially used bruce as window dressing to make sure that he could write a book about batwoman that wouldn't get cancelled for low sales. That and having Bruce act like an idiot or get one shoted to elevate other characters by making bruce look incompetent. Tynion on a Tim Drake, batwoman, cassie cain, spoiler or clayface book, I would be all for but he has tried to write Bruce and it really has not taken at all, sure some of the arcs were alright but most of those arcs ignored Bruce and focused on other characters, anything Bruce focused was him getting one punched by shiva, having a future version of Kate defeat and kill him or him having to get lectured by spoiler again and again and again. I get that it is a replacement arc but I gotta believe that someone like Priest or Bryan hill would do significantly better and could actually do something in that time instead of just punting for a year.
As far as didio he is the guy in charge of it all, in the end if DC makes bad decisions I lay the responsibility at his feet. He called out that fans are seemingly preferring the older stuff and then either approved or allowed his most popular character to go through the exact stuff that people normally complain about. Handing Batman over to an at very best moderately successful writer who has already proven that he isn't exactly the biggest fan of the character to write a 6 month to a year long fill in arc that will probably have little to no lasting consequences, that looks like it is gonna lead to another new number one with the 3 or 4th "replacement batman" story in the last decade kinda encompasses the majority of the complaints that people have about comics. Essentially He complained about people preferring the older stuff and his solution was to allow or approve his number one character to go through all of the things fans complain about.
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To be honest here, I dont remember anything particularly positive or negative about Bruce on Tynion's tec.
Mainly because that was a team book not a batman focussed book.
I remember making clayface into a great tragic character that has not been done properly since B:TAS, I remember the focus on Cass wanting to be a dancer, what a simple and great idea.
the practice with Azrael on the simulated reality thing that no one could beat but him. the way that the relation between Zatana and Bruce changed. the arc with Anarchy and Spoiler, the "death" of Tim Drake
and many other great moments
I dont even remember Bruce fighting Shiva(which also, not the first time Bruce ever lost to her), but I do remember Cass Cain fighting her which was the point of that arc
My point is that you are pretty much focusing to much on the negatives and not enough of the positives
I have seen a lot of people doing this and I disagreeAs far as didio he is the guy in charge of it all, in the end if DC makes bad decisions I lay the responsibility at his feet.
mainly because under that same argument then every single good thing on DC is also thanks to him
so besides being extremely unfair you have to see that the reality is just not as simple as that
not everything bad that happen is his fault and not everything good that happens is thanks to him
Its way more complicated
However
to me personally I read a lot of DC now and was reading a lot of DC before and for the last 10 years every single week.
as for Marvel, prior to Hickman's X-men reboot which im enjoying a lot, I was reading 0, not a single marvel book before that for over a year. to me that says that Didio is overall doing a good job.
What I would say is the heart of the "problem" with Tynion is that he didn't write an arc for Bruce. He wrote an arc for every other character - Kate with the Colony and her dad, Tim with the Knights, Steph with Tim and Batman, Cass with her mother (which was unfinished due to the run being cut short), Clayface with Cass and Viktoria, Jean-Paul with Ascalon - I guess you could say Luke never got a full arc, but I still loved him.
But Bruce was just there, trying to support his family. His desires don't change from the beginning to the end. And I don't mind that - because as I've said, until King, I never really wanted Bruce to have an arc, because the writers were never interested in doing anything but build him up then drag him back down (see also: Hush). With King, I have hope that he'll actually get a tiny bit futher up the mountain of life. (And if he doesn't, as I've said many times, I'm gonna be pretty down on King.) So Tynion's idea of Bruce as a complicated guy, but one who wants the best for his family and his city? I'm on board with that. Now, if he's writing the main title, I think he's probably gonna give Bruce some arcs. Which will be cool.
That sounds pretty cool! Though after Batman and Robin Eternal, which was sort of a Scarecrow story, I dunno what he wants to do with Crane.
I think this is a good reminder to myself not to always blame Didio. I still think he's used his significant influence to make some things a lot worse (War Games, the n52), but I also think he's worked hard to make some really good stuff, like Rebirth.
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