All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Kieran_Frost]

This made me howl with laughter...

Pete Buttigieg hits back at Trump saying his marriage never entailed sending 'hush money to a porn star'
https://www.businessinsider.com/butt...20-2?r=US&IR=T
Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg took aim at Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh during a CNN town hall in Nevada on Tuesday evening.

Host Erin Burnett asked the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who is openly gay, to respond to comments made by the controversial radio host-turned-Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient about the United States "still not [being] ready to elect a gay guy kissing his husband on the debate stage president."

Buttigieg first scorned "the idea of the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump lecturing anybody on family values."

He added: "I mean, sorry, but one thing about my marriage is it's never involved me having to send hush money to a porn star after cheating on my spouse." Challenging the pair, Buttigieg also said, "If they want to debate family values, let's debate family values. I'm ready."

[Billy Batson]

A year ago today, @BernieSanders announced his run for the presidency.

They started discrediting him before he even began.
[funny video]

[PaulBullion]

(pretends to click link)

That was delightful!

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

(pretends to click link)

That was delightful!

So it’s just like the links you post and the ones you think agree with..... actually unread.

[aja_christopher]

And it's still mostly using the taxes correctly, not a total raise for everyone (just the high yield).

That programs like Medicare for all might save money is not the issue -- the issue is how will Sanders convince voters and Congress to make it happen.

Their tendency to avoid even discussing Republicans is because they know if they do, they will have to address how to pass laws with them in power.

Easier to just pretend that these things will work out on their own and attack Democrats instead of addressing the real obstacle to progressive policy.

And that still doesn't address funding free college, raising the minimum wage, paying for the Green New Deal and everything else Sanders has promised.

All of which will require the support of "moderates" -- and likely a few Republicans -- that they keep claiming are the enemy.

[aja_christopher]

Attachment 93412

Twitter Link

Bernie Sanders Press Secretary. Wonder if she still feels this way.

It's to their advantage to pretend Russian interference isn't an issue because most of it supports Sanders and Trump, as those are the two most divisive candidates in America.

Say what you will about Putin, but he's playing America like a fiddle at this point.

If the goal was division within America and loss of influence on the world stage, his efforts have been more than successful on that front.

[Tazirai]

One quick "Credit Where It Is Due..." nod -

At least Elizabeth Warren gets that it needs to be Medicare For All to even have a chance to be anything except a tire fire that America just keeps on walking right back into.

There will probably never be any version of Public Option that will stop "For Profit" health insurance from being what it is by it's very nature. A product that is sold to turn a profit.

There's only one way to do that, and it does the consumer right around "Zero..." good.

What's sad is that I 've lived in places where M4A is just a thing, you don't even have to be a citizen to use it.
You get hurt, go to the Doc, and no bill.
Prescriptions are ridiculously low priced, and such.

America has this REALLY dumb "Individual Freedom" thing so embedded in our culture that we consistently hurt ourselves.

[shooshoomanjoe]

What's sad is that I 've lived in places where M4A is just a thing, you don't even have to be a citizen to use it.
You get hurt, go to the Doc, and no bill.
Prescriptions are ridiculously low priced, and such.

America has this REALLY dumb "Individual Freedom" thing so embedded in our culture that we consistently hurt ourselves.

You must mean universal healthcare because Medicare patients still receive bills.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Old men. So is Biden. So is Trump. Warren is a women in her 70’s. Don’t know why age is a disqualifier

Inflated egos? Every single one of these people is going on a stage saying they are the most qualified to head the most powerful country in the world.

They value loyalty over competence? Quantify this because it sounds like nonsense.

Want to purge the party? This is untrue. You were one of the the people who were criticizing Sanders for accepting an endorsement from Rogan who is nothing like him politically. And Sanders defended by saying we need to be welcoming. This isn’t even congruent with your own past arguments.

View compromise as a weakness? When? There haven’t even been negotiations. You don’t compromise before the actual policy making starts.

Cult like fanbases? So they are popular? So was Obama.

What propaganda networks? Sanders goes on every single mainstream outlet

Employ toxic individuals? I can name issues with an employee of every major candidate a Democrat in the last few years. In fact a lot of former Sanders supporters work in other campaigns. Are they hiring toxic employees.

Fanbases that don’t respect women and minorities. There’s a greater combination of minorities and women in his support base than anybody else running. But I’m sure you think you are qualified to tell women and minorities how they should feel. They don’t seem to agree with you. Guess you think you know better than them.

Hard team keeping female enployees safe. He had an incident in the past and now has taken more steps than any other campaign to make it safe.

They don’t understand how the system works. Yeah a man who has been in the federal government for decades doesn’t understand the system. I’m sure you get it though lol.

View politics in black and white? Describe?

Inflated view of how much they will accomplish. By that logic every President ever is comparable to Trump. Do you know history?


So much of what you said is either demonstrably untrue and not backed up by any analysis of data and facts that it might be the most biased post in this thread.

I don't like Warren being that age, either, but sure all of them are too old to be running. At least she has the advantage of being a woman, younger and not had any heart attacks.

Sanders is the only person in this race who kept running when his campaign got killed by Hillary Clinton and refused to own up to the fact he lost that election against her. Candidates drop out for less reasons than that, see Beto and Harris.

Loyalty over competence. Briahna Grey Joy, Nina Turner, David Sirota, Cenk Uyger, Cardy B, Tulsi Gabbard.


Your argument against purging is that Sanders wants to include Nazis in the party? You're forgetting that Sanders thinks merely getting an endorsement from Rogan and having an interview on the podcast means they're all leftists now. For some reason. He's never that welcoming with other factions inside the party, why is that?

This isn't Sanders first election. He rejected AOC's comment to compromise on Medicare for All.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/polit...all/index.html

"I love Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She has done more in her first year in Congress to transform politics, to get young people involved, than any freshman member of Congress that I can remember," Sanders said. "But my view is that Medicare for All, the bill that we wrote, is in a sense already a compromise. It is a four-year transition period."

It's comments like this is why people like AOC more than Sanders, despite being a freshmen in congress she has a better sense of how to politically pass bills than he does.

Being popular is fine, and there were bad people in Obama's camp - they don't hold a candle to the Bernie Bros.

I've covered this is the past, networks like The Young Turks, The Hill, Michael Brooks. Sanders has an entire cottage industry on You Tube of leftist propaganda channels who'll defend him to the death. No questions asked.

The rest of the candidates don't have the constant problems Sanders does with hiring people and keeping them employed when they'd be gone from other campaigns. Biden at least fired a staffer who went over the line, so did Obama. This goes double for those in his inner circle, like Sirota, Briahna and Turner - they have Permanent Job Security. I don't know what they'd have to do to get fired.

This defines that having women and minorities in a group is all it takes to make it immune to being toxic is disheartening and wrong. Trump supporters, Fox News and Gamergate all had women and minorities in their membership, too, do you think they had perfectly healthy relationships with those two groups? You'd be mistaken, I hope I don't have spell the obvious.

You're ignoring the fact I have shown evidence before of the Bros attacking women and minorities in the past. One was a female reporter, the other worked at the DNC and there's more where that came from.

That wasn't "an incident," don't minimise how lax Sanders concerns or his campaigns efforts to help women staffers were. They had no support, period. It wants one woman, it was the entire female section in his campaign. But Sanders was "too busy," so all is forgiven.

That's what's jarring about Sanders, he should be more understanding of how the system works yet he remains clueless. AOC knows more about how to do it properly and she's a freshmen.

You're either with Sanders or you're an enemy to be destroyed, there's no shade of grey with Sanders. It's why he has problems with the party.

I do know my history and Sanders is going to be a disaster the likes he haven't seen since Carter. Trying to blur the line between Sanders and everyone other president isn't going to work.

You haven't produced a hint of evidence that what I wrote was incorrect and is fact I've based my opinions on prior evidence from this thread. Which you mysteriously missed. I'm not the one whose bias here.

[numberthirty]

You must mean universal healthcare because Medicare patients still receive bills.

Politely...

That's why M4A(Medicare For All) was in the post and not Medicare.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I don't like Warren being that age, either, but sure all of them are too old to be running. At least she has the advantage of being a woman, younger and not had any heart attacks.

Sanders is the only person in this race who kept running when his campaign got killed by Hillary Clinton and refused to own up to the fact he lost that election against her. Candidates drop out for less reasons than that, see Beto and Harris.

Loyalty over competence. Briahna Grey Joy, Nina Turner, David Sirota, Cenk Uyger, Cardy B, Tulsi Gabbard.


Your argument against purging is that Sanders wants to include Nazis in the party? You're forgetting that Sanders thinks merely getting an endorsement from Rogan and having an interview on the podcast means they're all leftists now. For some reason. He's never that welcoming with other factions inside the party, why is that?

This isn't Sanders first election. He rejected AOC's comment to compromise on Medicare for All.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/polit...all/index.html



It's comments like this is why people like AOC more than Sanders, despite being a freshmen in congress she has a better sense of how to politically pass bills than he does.

Being popular is fine, and there were bad people in Obama's camp - they don't hold a candle to the Bernie Bros.

I've covered this is the past, networks like The Young Turks, The Hill, Michael Brooks. Sanders has an entire cottage industry on You Tube of leftist propaganda channels who'll defend him to the death. No questions asked.

The rest of the candidates don't have the constant problems Sanders does with hiring people and keeping them employed when they'd be gone from other campaigns. Biden at least fired a staffer who went over the line, so did Obama. This goes double for those in his inner circle, like Sirota, Briahna and Turner - they have Permanent Job Security. I don't know what they'd have to do to get fired.

This defines that having women and minorities in a group is all it takes to make it immune to being toxic is disheartening and wrong. Trump supporters, Fox News and Gamergate all had women and minorities in their membership, too, do you think they had perfectly healthy relationships with those two groups? You'd be mistaken, I hope I don't have spell the obvious.

You're ignoring the fact I have shown evidence before of the Bros attacking women and minorities in the past. One was a female reporter, the other worked at the DNC and there's more where that came from.

That wasn't "an incident," don't minimise how lax Sanders concerns or his campaigns efforts to help women staffers were. They had no support, period. It wants one woman, it was the entire female section in his campaign. But Sanders was "too busy," so all is forgiven.

That's what's jarring about Sanders, he should be more understanding of how the system works yet he remains clueless. AOC knows more about how to do it properly and she's a freshmen.

You're either with Sanders or you're an enemy to be destroyed, there's no shade of grey with Sanders. It's why he has problems with the party.

I do know my history and Sanders is going to be a disaster the likes he haven't seen since Carter. Trying to blur the line between Sanders and everyone other president isn't going to work.

You haven't produced a hint of evidence that what I wrote was incorrect and is fact I've based my opinions on prior evidence from this thread. Which you mysteriously missed. I'm not the one whose bias here.

Every person in the top 5 is over 70 and they will be challenging someone over 70.

Sanders stayed late against Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton threatened to use super delegates to take the nom from Obama and they had to use emergency meetings. So forgive me if I don't feel any sympathy for that. Especially when it's a demonstrably proven fact that she did more damage to Obama's campaign than Sanders did to her. That's just a well established fact.

Let's look at some of the people you listed. Sanders had Cenk retract his endorsement, Tulsi Gabbard is running against him and has critcized him in the past. Cardi B is musician who does whatever she wants. So your own examples don't hold up and like I said you used Rogan for weeks and he does not have the same political leanings as Sanders.... so again this is nothing argument. And honestly if you don't understand how that makes you hypocritical and want to resort to calling people a Nazi (which is offensive when it's a Jew who you are talking about and offensive to people who actually had their families impacted by Nazi's, words mean things) then you either don't want to be smart enough to understand it or you don't see it.

AOC has no skin in the game on that fight. Again why would any candidate who compromise before it's even brought to the table? It's foolish. He didn't even win yet. Obama compromised with a super majority and now his bill is falling apart and his party lost congress as a result. That's what starting from compromise gets you.

Quantify what you said about that then. In this thread the number of anti Sanders people are far more, they are more vitriolic, got caught lying more, got caught smearing more, get caught calling people cultists and name callinga and have caused people to not feel like this thread was a safe environment and left. So just in your own little world, you guys are worse.

The Young Turks, the Hill, and Michael Brooks have all existed and had the same ideology before Bernie made a run for President in 2016 and he spends more time on mainstream media outlets. So again..... not reflective of reality.

It's funny I see alot of people who support his opponents saying he's bad for minorities and women when minorities and women support him at the greatest frequency. Yet weirdly mostly white men think they know better. Strange.

Yes there were multiple incidents and since he has taken more steps than any other campaign to make it safe for women. Something you didn't address.

If you think AOC knows more in a year or so you are kidding yourself and basing it off nothing more than bias.

"You're either with Sanders or you're an enemy to be destroyed". It's funny how it's always anti Sanders people that perpetuate this garbage talking point. I support Sanders, but I supported Warren first and donated to her. This is tripe and more unquantifiable bias so you can have attack lines.

This was the second most embarassing post I've seen on this site.

[Tazirai]

Honestly, same. But I can tell you I will do it, unlike many Sanders supporters I know personally that either didn’t vote or voted for third party candidates. Some even cast a vote for Trump to stop Clinton. That’s too privileged a position to take—to say that this group of people who actually agree with me more than 70% of the time are to be taught a lesson so they will swing more to my way of thinking. Jimmy Dore was one of those folks who expressed this asinine view on TYT, which is frankly a big reason I stopped trying to get informed by their perspective. It isn’t only extortion; it is inflicting pain unto minorities to prove a point. That said, Sanders can’t just depend on people like me that don’t like him to go ahead and vote for him because we hate Trump. We saw that was a bad strategy for Clinton and, at the very least, Clinton didn’t actively show off the skeletons in Sanders’ closet so that his supporters would feel more comfortable backing her. Sanders has shown no restraint in tearing apart his less “pure” competition for the nomination. His campaign should start reaching out now instead of trying to pile on and bury the candidates voters liked.

Everybody laughs at Jimmy Dore, even TYT.
You're being so disingenuous about Sanders, when the evidence is literally not what you typed.

I'd be more inclined to listen to you guys when the lies that Only Sanders smears others stop. Sanders smears no one. You guys can't even point to evidence of him doing it.
I would love to see ONE legit piece when they attack Sanders like the thugs they can be daily.

[Tazirai]

Since Blago was selling Obama's seat, this might just be another bit of Trump stigginit. Plus Donnie doesn't consider white collar crime to be real crime.

This is true. That dude and the GOP loves crying about "Chicago Politics" and engage in it every single day.

[aja_christopher]

"You're either with Sanders or you're an enemy to be destroyed". It's funny how it's always anti Sanders people that perpetuate this garbage talking point.

It's Sanders supporters who perpetuate this "talking point" by making it clear that they will attack anything that stands in Sanders' way.

It will be the party of progressives.

Moderates and centrists aren't going to have a place in it once we're done. The fight won't last long.

Ignorantly enough, however, they focus those attacks on the same party they need to win elections and enact their legislation.

[Tazirai]

He didn't lose the popular vote. Those are the state delegate equivalents.

Lol, they just can't wait to smear the guy hahahaha. It's so damn funny.