Is Jean Grey Really Ororo's Best Friend?

[Sutekh]

One of my favorite parts of the Blue and Gold era was that Jean and Ororo were on a separate team from attention-hogs Scott and Logan and, to a lesser extent, Gambit. It could only have been strengthened by putting them in different books, so that there could be even more focus on their relationship.

I've always regarded Ororo and Jean as best friends, which doesn't take away Jean's relationship with Scott, or Ororo's relationship with Yukio (who, IMO, as much as she loves her, even Ororo regards as something of a bad influence, much like her friendship with Gambit).

[PrezValentine]

It is actually funny to complain about Scott because last I checked they were on the same team on Red and Age of X-man and Storm was just kind of there. She was a glorified sidekick and that's all on Jean and the Jean push.

I liked them hugging though.

Scott and Jean had a staggering number of six interactions since she came back, the fact that they barely interacted in Morrison's run and the times they weren't joined by the hip in the 90s, but trust me, she is a slave to Cyclops' will.

As she should be.

[spirit2011]

It is actually funny to complain about Scott because last I checked they were on the same team on Red and Age of X-man and Storm was just kind of there. She was a glorified sidekick and that's all on Jean and the Jean push.

I liked them hugging though.

Age of x-men Jean was also just there.

Red Jean was the leader, but Ororo displayed power and made her own calls. Ororo also had the Gold book.;

Scott and Jean had a staggering number of six interactions since she came back, the fact that they barely interacted in Morrison's run and the times they weren't joined by the hip in the 90s, but trust me, she is a slave to Cyclops' will.

As she should be.

6 times? Scott was dead for the most of it and on different universes, 6 times is a lot then

[JasmineW]

Let's face it, this is just a thread to bash Jean.

[PrezValentine]

Age of x-men Jean was also just there.

Red Jean was the leader, but Ororo displayed power and made her own calls. Ororo also had the Gold book.;



6 times? Scott was dead for the most of it and on different universes, 6 times is a lot then

Oh, trust me, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You want to be hyperbolic because of your hate for Cyclops and I'm not here to stop you.
Six times over the course of nearly 24 months isn't a lot according to the measurements of any adult person, by the way, and your feelings have no bearing over reality. But keep on your crusade, brave white knight.

[spirit2011]

Oh, trust me, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You want to be hyperbolic because of your hate for Cyclops and I'm not here to stop you.
Six times over the course of nearly 24 months isn't a lot according to the measurements of any adult person, by the way, and your feelings have no bearing over reality. But keep on your crusade, brave white knight.

They were on the same issue like 8 times or less. That is a lot more than logan and Laura that are father and daughter

[Marvell2100]

I lost my Broccoli casserole recipe!!!

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

They were on the same issue like 8 times or less. That is a lot more than logan and Laura that are father and daughter

The irony is that 6 is probably a lot more than her interactions with any other character.

[RachelGrey]

X-Men Red, Jean asks Ororo to help her save Rachel from Cassandra Nova:

[jwatson]

X-Men Red, Jean asks Ororo to help her save Rachel from Cassandra Nova:

and she caught her. one of my fave recent scenes. that's how you know they understand each other on a base level and on an upper level of power level.

[Triniking1234]

Kitty is Ororo's bestie now. Jean was too busy being a corpse.

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Kitty is Ororo's bestie now. Jean was too busy being a corpse.

Corpse in a refrigerator.

[Kisinith]

Later that very same issue, just before she renders him catatonic, the following exchange happens between Dark Phoenix and Mastermind:

Mastermind: "M-mindtap mechanism--White Queen's design allowed me to project illusions directly into your mind...as well as monitor your thoughts..."
Dark Phoenix: "Use a telepath to ensnare a telepath--ingenious. This devise enabled you to tailor your illusions to fit my most private fantasies--the repressed, dark side of my soul."

A few points regarding what seems to be yet another re-interpretation of the presented narrative to suit someone's dislike of a character.*

1. The Phoenix was operating using a copy of Jean's mind/personality, but it was still a cosmic entity with a huge level of cosmic power. It was essentially a gestalt entity of phenomenal power trying to confine and limit itself to a human personality. This does not prove that the real Jean Grey, in full possession of her faculties, harbors those particular fantasies in the dark side of her soul. It just proves that an entity use to phenomenal power was denying its own power and identity, and that the resulting gestalt entity had some very dark power dreams that its facsimile of Jean's personality tried to repress.
2. Who doesn't have dark, fleeting thoughts of which they are not proud? No one. Every person, no matter how good they are, is without them. It is what we do with them. Do we take those thoughts captive and deny them the nurturing that they need to grow and fester, or do we entertain, cherish, and act upon them? Having them says nothing about who a person is. What a person does with them? That's what reveals the quality of person's character.

If you are going to not like a character, that is up to you. At least do so for honest reasons instead of misrepresenting certain panels out of context. Whether it is intentional or not, it comes off as dishonest.

* The other, very common misrepresentation of narrative involves Scott, Maddie, and Jean showing up in New York alive and well after years. Many people on those boards characterize Scott as intentionally walking out on his wife and child with no intention of returning, and that he immediately re-entered a romantic relationship with Jean. That is not what was shown. Scott went to her, visibly shaken, and said he need to go to New York. She told him that he should not come back. When he tried to contact her after pulling himself back together, she had disappeared. When he went searching, all evidence that she existed had been erased. He didn't start a new relationship with Jean until after he believed Maddie to be dead. Some folks around here also like to characterize Maddie as a wonderful wife who was practically a saint. On panel events in Uncanny X-Men showed her emotionally blackmailing him and even assaulting him. She also pulled the aforementioned "if you leave, don't bother coming back" card in X-Factor Vol 1 #1. That issue also depicts that there marriage was not in a good place, and neither one of them was depicted before or then as blameless.

Brilliant post all around, obviously I agree with you.

Corpse in a refrigerator.

Jean wasn't fridged for Cyclops. She was killed in DPS by editorial because she killed the broccoli people. She died and stayed dead after Morrison because editorial, very publicly, wanted to "fix" the mistake of resurrecting her after DPS. Both of major her deaths were caused by editorial interference and had nothing to do with any other characters.

[JB]

Let's face it, this is just a thread to bash Jean.

Yup. I'm not a massive Jean fan but she's a member of the X-Men, a team of characters I love and it's disheartening to see such attacks on any of them. Thank goodness new books are coming out in a few days to distract us for hopefully a few days.

[PsychoEFrost]

Yup. I'm not a massive Jean fan but she's a member of the X-Men, a team of characters I love and it's disheartening to see such attacks on any of them. Thank goodness new books are coming out in a few days to distract us for hopefully a few days.

I would wager these threads and posts are more an attack on a certain subset of Jean fans rather than the character. Not that that makes things any better, mind you.