That's a very anthropomorphic view of the timeline, and unsupported by the films. The Ancient One didn't say "removing the Stones is fine, as long as nobody knows about it".
The implication of Bruce's theory is that Cap has to return to the timeline at EXACTLY the same moment they left. There's no indication that the Pym Particle method can cut it that fine.
But even if they do (maybe he overlaps things a bit, so two versions of the same Stone exist at the same time?) there are a lot of subtleties involving exactly how to return the various Stones. MoS mentions one example below.
Pretty much, yes. There are VERY few exceptions.
Yeah, basically.
I think Edge of Tomorrow is the only movie with Time Travel shenanigans that didn't hurt my head
But that could just be because I've only seen it once so I didn't "have time" to sit there and poke holes in it lol
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To expand on the issues. When Steve left, he had Mjolnir, and a briefcase containing the Stones. Nothing else.
So, let's break down the Stones.
Space: He goes back to 1970. But the Space Stone is no longer in the Tesseract. So somehow he has to fix that.
Time: Returned to the Ancient One during Avengers. No worries, she knew it was coming back.
Mind: Returned to the custody of SHIELDRA. But he not only doesn't have the Sceptre, he doesn't have a way to put it back in the crystal that held it before.
Soul: Throws it over a cliff at Vormyr. Maybe he trolls Red Skull for a bit. No paradox,
Power: Returned to the time of GOTG. But he doesn't have the Orb, and even if he did, he doesn't have the tools to put the Stone back into it.
Reality: Goes back to the time of Dark World. But he would somehow have to destroy the Reality Stone AND put it back in Jane.
In THEORY the Time Gem could do it, but Steve doesn't know how to do that.
So, basically, in order for things to work, Steve would need PERFECT timing, amazing stealth, and the powers of an Eternal AND the Eye of Agamotto.
Time Travel is hard.
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It's entirely possible, because being so precise is nearly impossible, Steve still created separate timelines everywhere he went. We don't actually see what happened to them, and with the Multiverse coming, maybe we'll see he didn't totally succeed.
I think writing time travel can be difficult, but IMO it's not the rules themselves, but writers forgetting them
That would have made more sense, yeah.
Or picking the wrong set of rules, and not thinking the through. There are at least three different schools of thought for Time Travel stories, and the MCU is trying to use two of them at once.
(We're verging way off topic, here. But suffice it to say, time travel is not a smart way to resurrect Klaw.)
ETA: Four schools. I forgot one.
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Sorry I have nothing to contribute to the conversation, but I read Avengers mech strike. Like MoS said a few pages back, there is some SILLY stuff going on in there... I like it
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Yeah. That's one of the methods the MCU tried to use. To explain time-travel in a story, a writer has to answer 3 yes or no questions:
1. Do you go back in time as yourself, or into your original body?
2. Can you actually change the past?
3. When/if you return to your own time, has anything changed?
Note that some of the combinations make no sense. But the breakdown is basically this:
Do you go as yourself?
Yes: Can you change time?
Yes: When you go back to your time, has anything changed?No: Can you change time?
Yes: Traditional time-travel. Paradoxes galore.No: Self-consistent timeline. You were always in the past
No: Branching timeline theory.
Yes: When you go back to the future, has anything changed?
Yes: A traditional do-over.No: Pretty much Hell, reliving your life over and over again. *shudder*
No: I've never actually seen this done, except in Groundhog Day loops.
I personally prefer the branching theory
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