New WW Creative Team: Tom King and Daniel Sampere

[Mantis-Ray]

People are more excited about the Batman 666 thing, which I have no idea what the fuck it is, than Trinity itself. rolleyes

Batman 666 is a possible future version of Damian from the Grant Morrison Batman run where he becomes Batman.

Only he turns out be a pretty bad Batman and rules over a near apocalypse Gotham that he's boobytrapped to keep up with the army of supervillains at his door.

He's also made a deal with the devil and sold his soul to give him a boost via immortality.

[Gaius]

Pony tail combined with a pants costume echos Artemis to me.

[Sebastianne]

Batman 666 is a possible future version of Damian from the Grant Morrison Batman run where he becomes Batman.

Only he turns out be a pretty bad Batman and rules over a near apocalypse Gotham that he's boobytrapped to keep up with the army of supervillains at his door.

He's also made a deal with the devil and sold his soul to give him a boost via immortality.

So that bad Batman is the one in that image? Because I understood that.

Pony tail combined with a pants costume echos Artemis to me.

Well, the best thing that could happen is that she is her father.

[Mantis-Ray]

So that bad Batman is the one in that image? Because I understood that.




Well, the best thing that could happen is that she is her father.

Yeah the longcoat look is the 666 Batman look.



Which has become the general design for future Damian whenever he becomes Batman even though Batman 666 was supposed to be a bad future for him.

[Garrac]

Just coming here to say, I just love to fuckin hell Bilquis Evely's alternate cover. I hope she's brought for this run to draw something, a dream sequence, a scene with Supergirl, more alternate covers, whatever it maybe.

[Fergus]

Yeah the longcoat look is the 666 Batman look.



Which has become the general design for future Damian whenever he becomes Batman even though Batman 666 was supposed to be a bad future for him.

Batman666 wasn't bad. He was insecure that he wasn't going do as good a job protecting Gotham like Bruce and Dick so he set bobby traps as prep to aid him when fighting criminals. He was only 16 and only had his pets as company. He was too young + didn't have Brubat's army of sidekicks to help him.

He later exchanged his soul for the safety of Gotham [it seems DC has moved this deal forward. It happens in Rebirth Batman when Bruce sends Damian to infiltrate and face off against Gotham Girl, Thomas Wayne,Bane and every other villain in Gotham. Damian explains that to gain the power to take down GG he recited an incantation which promised his soul to the devil after his death]

He was willing to kill but wasn't evil or anything like that. As an adult he saved,adopted and trained Terry who went on to become Batman Beyond.

[Fergus]

https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status...94523310800896

I like Trinity's look.
Wish Jon had a unique suit so we can tell it's him at a glance.

I wonder what the context is going to be in story for Trinity holding up 3 fingers. Can't wait to read the dialogue.

[bardkeep]

Tom King did a Word Balloon interview, dropped tons of new details:

- Reiterated that the first arc is gonna be primarily about Diana (though Nubia is still queen of the Amazons and appears in at least the first issue), but said he plans to get to Nubia, Donna, and Cassie and wants to do a long run where he gets to include the whole Wonderfam. Doesn't want to control them so much that other writers can't do what they want with them

- The series is gonna have 10-page backups about the broader world of WW/the Amazons (some written by King, others not)

- Not a lot of mythological stuff or Themyscira in the run - wants to really have her on Earth interacting with the world like Superman and Batman do. The book is gonna be heavily based in Washington DC

- Asked about whether he's going to show Diana's queerness: "It's tricky but it also isn't, you're just gonna have to read the book." Interesting...

- Asked about Trinity's father: That's part of the mystery and it's possible that she doesn't have a father. Said the run is gonna explore how Trinity "comes to exist" or something sort of pointedly, which kinda hints that it's not gonna be a traditional birth

- Hippolyta is going to be an important part of Trinity's story

- When asked about the clay origin, he basically said as subtly as possible that DC won't let him make a definitive statement but he's pro-clay origin and pushing to make it canon. Also said he considers the Perez run definitive WW canon

- Thinks WW is the best person in the DCU, better than Superman. Talked again about how she's a rebel who's more radical in her beliefs and will take a step beyond just doing the right thing, status quo be damned - has no reservations about breaking the law whereas Superman is a bit more deferential to it. Says in the first issue she makes choices that Superman wouldn't

- Thinks WW has a really good rogues gallery and his favorite villains are Giganta and Circe, but the first arc is gonna have a new villain

- Gave huge praise to Historia (and apparently Kelly Sue and Nicola are gonna be on Word Balloon on Thursday to do a vol. 3 deep dive)

- Thoughts on WW's supporting cast: Likes Steve and Etta but feels like some work needs to be done with them, Steve being in the military is immediately gonna drive conflict between him and Diana. Some people asked about Ferdinand and he laughed and said "we'll see"

- Likes Rucka's Rebirth approach to Cheetah where she's not purely a nemesis, thinks sometimes she and Diana are better allies than enemies which is going to inform how he deals with her in his run

- Diana's gonna talk to animals. And the jet's gonna be there. Did not confirm or deny a Jumpa appearance

[Psy-lock]

Tom King did a Word Balloon interview, dropped tons of new details:

- Reiterated that the first arc is gonna be primarily about Diana (though Nubia is still queen of the Amazons and appears in at least the first issue), but said he plans to get to Nubia, Donna, and Cassie and wants to do a long run where he gets to include the whole Wonderfam. Doesn't want to control them so much that other writers can't do what they want with them

- The series is gonna have 10-page backups about the broader world of WW/the Amazons (some written by King, others not)

- Not a lot of mythological stuff or Themyscira in the run - wants to really have her on Earth interacting with the world like Superman and Batman do. The book is gonna be heavily based in Washington DC

- Asked about whether he's going to show Diana's queerness: "It's tricky but it also isn't, you're just gonna have to read the book." Interesting...

- Asked about Trinity's father: That's part of the mystery and it's possible that she doesn't have a father. Said the run is gonna explore how Trinity "comes to exist" or something sort of pointedly, which kinda hints that it's not gonna be a traditional birth

- Hippolyta is going to be an important part of Trinity's story

- When asked about the clay origin, he basically said as subtly as possible that DC won't let him make a definitive statement but he's pro-clay origin and pushing to make it canon. Also said he considers the Perez run definitive WW canon

- Thinks WW is the best person in the DCU, better than Superman. Talked again about how she's a rebel who's more radical in her beliefs and will take a step beyond just doing the right thing, status quo be damned - has no reservations about breaking the law whereas Superman is a bit more deferential to it. Says in the first issue she makes choices that Superman wouldn't

- Thinks WW has a really good rogues gallery and his favorite villains are Giganta and Circe, but the first arc is gonna have a new villain

- Gave huge praise to Historia (and apparently Kelly Sue and Nicola are gonna be on Word Balloon on Thursday to do a vol. 3 deep dive)

- Thoughts on WW's supporting cast: Likes Steve and Etta but feels like some work needs to be done with them, Steve being in the military is immediately gonna drive conflict between him and Diana. Some people asked about Ferdinand and he laughed and said "we'll see"

- Likes Rucka's Rebirth approach to Cheetah where she's not purely a nemesis, thinks sometimes she and Diana are better allies than enemies which is going to inform how he deals with her in his run

- Diana's gonna talk to animals. And the jet's gonna be there. Did not confirm or deny a Jumpa appearance

I really like all of this

[Will Evans]

First I’ve heard about the 10 page backups. Which means they could potentially feature Yara or Artemis or whomever.

[Factor]

Tom King did a Word Balloon interview, dropped tons of new details:

- Reiterated that the first arc is gonna be primarily about Diana (though Nubia is still queen of the Amazons and appears in at least the first issue), but said he plans to get to Nubia, Donna, and Cassie and wants to do a long run where he gets to include the whole Wonderfam. Doesn't want to control them so much that other writers can't do what they want with them

- The series is gonna have 10-page backups about the broader world of WW/the Amazons (some written by King, others not)

- Not a lot of mythological stuff or Themyscira in the run - wants to really have her on Earth interacting with the world like Superman and Batman do. The book is gonna be heavily based in Washington DC

- Asked about whether he's going to show Diana's queerness: "It's tricky but it also isn't, you're just gonna have to read the book." Interesting...

- Asked about Trinity's father: That's part of the mystery and it's possible that she doesn't have a father. Said the run is gonna explore how Trinity "comes to exist" or something sort of pointedly, which kinda hints that it's not gonna be a traditional birth

- Hippolyta is going to be an important part of Trinity's story

- When asked about the clay origin, he basically said as subtly as possible that DC won't let him make a definitive statement but he's pro-clay origin and pushing to make it canon. Also said he considers the Perez run definitive WW canon

- Thinks WW is the best person in the DCU, better than Superman. Talked again about how she's a rebel who's more radical in her beliefs and will take a step beyond just doing the right thing, status quo be damned - has no reservations about breaking the law whereas Superman is a bit more deferential to it. Says in the first issue she makes choices that Superman wouldn't

- Thinks WW has a really good rogues gallery and his favorite villains are Giganta and Circe, but the first arc is gonna have a new villain

- Gave huge praise to Historia (and apparently Kelly Sue and Nicola are gonna be on Word Balloon on Thursday to do a vol. 3 deep dive)

- Thoughts on WW's supporting cast: Likes Steve and Etta but feels like some work needs to be done with them, Steve being in the military is immediately gonna drive conflict between him and Diana. Some people asked about Ferdinand and he laughed and said "we'll see"

- Likes Rucka's Rebirth approach to Cheetah where she's not purely a nemesis, thinks sometimes she and Diana are better allies than enemies which is going to inform how he deals with her in his run

- Diana's gonna talk to animals. And the jet's gonna be there. Did not confirm or deny a Jumpa appearance

I'm still not sold on Trinity (which is ok, we haven't read anything with her yet), but everything else sounds great.
I really really hope he manages to reinstate the clay origin. The fact that he thinks so highly of Perez' run also feels me with hope.
Reading this, I worry more about DC editorial than King. He's saying all of the right things.

[Primal Slayer]

Why is DC so hellbent on not confirming an origin for Diana?

We don't have to guess if Superman was rocketed from Krypton as a baby and raised by the Kents.

We don't have to guess that Batmans parents were murdered right in front of him as a child and it sent him on a spiral to become Batman.

But we have to guess if Diana was sculpted from Clay and blessed by the gods or if Hipp slept w/Zeus and gave birth to his child
..

[Sebastianne]

Tom King did a Word Balloon interview, dropped tons of new details:

- Reiterated that the first arc is gonna be primarily about Diana (though Nubia is still queen of the Amazons and appears in at least the first issue), but said he plans to get to Nubia, Donna, and Cassie and wants to do a long run where he gets to include the whole Wonderfam. Doesn't want to control them so much that other writers can't do what they want with them

- The series is gonna have 10-page backups about the broader world of WW/the Amazons (some written by King, others not)

- Not a lot of mythological stuff or Themyscira in the run - wants to really have her on Earth interacting with the world like Superman and Batman do. The book is gonna be heavily based in Washington DC

- Asked about whether he's going to show Diana's queerness: "It's tricky but it also isn't, you're just gonna have to read the book." Interesting...

- Asked about Trinity's father: That's part of the mystery and it's possible that she doesn't have a father. Said the run is gonna explore how Trinity "comes to exist" or something sort of pointedly, which kinda hints that it's not gonna be a traditional birth

- Hippolyta is going to be an important part of Trinity's story

- When asked about the clay origin, he basically said as subtly as possible that DC won't let him make a definitive statement but he's pro-clay origin and pushing to make it canon. Also said he considers the Perez run definitive WW canon

- Thinks WW is the best person in the DCU, better than Superman. Talked again about how she's a rebel who's more radical in her beliefs and will take a step beyond just doing the right thing, status quo be damned - has no reservations about breaking the law whereas Superman is a bit more deferential to it. Says in the first issue she makes choices that Superman wouldn't

- Thinks WW has a really good rogues gallery and his favorite villains are Giganta and Circe, but the first arc is gonna have a new villain

- Gave huge praise to Historia (and apparently Kelly Sue and Nicola are gonna be on Word Balloon on Thursday to do a vol. 3 deep dive)

- Thoughts on WW's supporting cast: Likes Steve and Etta but feels like some work needs to be done with them, Steve being in the military is immediately gonna drive conflict between him and Diana. Some people asked about Ferdinand and he laughed and said "we'll see"

- Likes Rucka's Rebirth approach to Cheetah where she's not purely a nemesis, thinks sometimes she and Diana are better allies than enemies which is going to inform how he deals with her in his run

- Diana's gonna talk to animals. And the jet's gonna be there. Did not confirm or deny a Jumpa appearance

I saw it last night, thank you very much for the summary.
The truth is that everything Tom King said is correct and what one expects, except for the new villain in the first story arc, but well...
And the other question is linked to something we already know, editorial mandates and their way of curtailing good ideas.

[LordUltimus]

Why is DC so hellbent on not confirming an origin for Diana?

We don't have to guess if Superman was rocketed from Krypton as a baby and raised by the Kents.

We don't have to guess that Batmans parents were murdered right in front of him as a child and it sent him on a spiral to become Batman.

But we have to guess if Diana was sculpted from Clay and blessed by the gods or if Hipp slept w/Zeus and gave birth to his child
..

If I had to guess, it's because they're waiting to see what Gunn does for the movie reboot.

[Factor]

Why is DC so hellbent on not confirming an origin for Diana?

We don't have to guess if Superman was rocketed from Krypton as a baby and raised by the Kents.

We don't have to guess that Batmans parents were murdered right in front of him as a child and it sent him on a spiral to become Batman.

But we have to guess if Diana was sculpted from Clay and blessed by the gods or if Hipp slept w/Zeus and gave birth to his child
..

I have a feeling that it has to do with the uncertainty regarding how Diana will be portrayed in Gunn's DCU.
DC editorial seems very eager to play up synergy lately. It's no coincidence that Peacemaker of all characters is suddenly everywhere for example.
But I agree it's very frustrating. If anything, the comics should be using the best concepts to show what the best course of action for the DCU can be instead of waiting around until the executives decide.
DC should be learning from Marvel that synergy isn't always a good thing, especially when they need to break characters so that they look more like their cinematic selves.