Storm >>> APPRECIATION <<<

[rutog98]

I will once more take up the battle for Emma Frost. You don't know the character as well as you think you do. For those of you who are curious about just how powerful and great a telepath the White Queen is, enjoy!

1) When Phoenix Force Jean Grey died at the end of Morrison's run, she went into the White Hot Room with all of the past Phoenix Force hosts to do Phoenix work. In Endsong, she was still in the grave, hence she was still in the White Hot Room and connected to the Phoenix Force. Ergo, when she humiliated Emma, Jean was still connected to the White Hot Room, thus she was still bonded to the PF. Hence, when she pulled that small fraction of the PF out of Emma, she told it, "I am you." She said that because, again, she was still in the WHR and bonded to the PF. This doesn't count as a non-PF Jean feat. Also, we saw in "No More Humans" that the PF is reluctant to hurt Jean Grey because it likes her.

2) Look, if Jean Grey is being boosted by the Phoenix Force, she can beat Emma (and Exodus). Without the PF, she loses badly to both characters.

3) Jean never put Emma in a coma. What are you talking about? I knew this debate would come down to Jean wielding the PF. It always does come down to people trying to argue Phoenix feats for regular Jean to try and prop her up when she's pitted against superior telepaths like Emma.

4) Non-PF Jean Grey, even aided by a weakened Xavier, entered Magneto's mind to assault him psychically (they were only able to enter his mind after Gambit distracted Magneto with a card to the face). While there, Magneto was attacking himself and Jean, being so pathetic of a telepath, thought Magneto was attacking them. Xavier had to explain to Jean that Magneto was not fighting them, but himself:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/7oC1VROEpvP...sEfdnhBI=s1600

Emma Frost, on the other hand, can do stuff like this without Xavier:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/fye4QLd8J5b...Takluw0c=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/WhUkIFaJL8h...Ji4PscQd=s1600

Where has Jean every done massive TP surgery on a major scale?

Instead, Jean gets bested by Wolverine's willpower:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FIdK1iKDgQ...c42/RCO020.jpg

So, we see that Jean Grey can't prevail against Wolverine's willpower, nor can she prevail against Magneto's willpower without Xavier's aid even when Magneto is being distracted by several other X-Men attacking him physically. Xavier had to not only had his psi to Jean in the Magneto instance, but he had to guide her throughout their entire mental assault on him.

Now, lets talk about mindblasts:

Emma was able to hold her own for a little while against the Dark Phoenix in psi-combat.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/aQ99128cVqb...chTPY0Z6=s1600

After much of her power had been depleted by fighting Dark Phoenix, Emma focused the remaining portion of her power into a single psi-bolt and destroys a building (keep in mind this is not Emma's full power as, again, much of her power was already gone at this point)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/7oq3-DnYb2L...R91_uSNE=s1600

In Uncanny X-Men #383, Jean Grey was attacked and captured by a chair with metal arms. She commented on how if she had her TK, she could have defeated it easily, but since all she had was her TP (with Betsy's TP added to her own), she was completely defenseless against that chair. By the way, the Dark Phoenix instance was not the only time Emma's TP was strong enough to harm things in the physical realm. In Generation X #18, Emma takes down Generation X with mental manipulations. When Monet challenges her to fight her without mind games, but physically, Emma channels all of the ambient psionic energy in the atmosphere into a psionic lightning bolt and knocks Monet flat out.

In Uncanny X-Men #317, during the Phalanx Covenant, two Phalanxes, wearing the guises of Storm and Caliban, had their minds literally torn apart by a psi-blast from Emma:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/1dyVMonM0n-...uOrqFIqe=s1600

Jean can't toss mindblasts this strong.

In Generation X #50, Emma sees X-Man on television. As she sits in her chair Massachusetts , she just casually makes contact with him while he is in Ireland. This is a mind she had never contacted before, either, so its a brand new brain wave pattern she effortlessly finds over a great distance. Keep in mind this is when X-Man no longer had his TP, so it would have been like scanning for any other non-psi:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/OaRBRGpEnEo...NZL8SD-h=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/85Bvy4YFnKX...UaC5SXTF=s1600

Emma was also able to create a psi-beacon in Dark Beast's mind:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/oZrQKtQWLz1...ATCRdueM=s1600

Here, Emma is literally punching through dozens of Dark Beast's psi-blockers with her psychic powers as if they were nothing:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/DFh-Fz0gVo9...oCqzZT6u=s1600

In another story, Emma's sister, Adrienne Frost, uses psi-tech to trap Generation X in a mental reality and Emma is trapped in between mental states (or something). Anywho, Emma gets mad, breaks free, uses her psychic powers to take control of that entire mental reality and she literally shatters it with her mental abilities:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Q88dOAtI3-q...6-8_CPQg=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/5RPDy2sq8ob...zDRUe6l8=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/2hi8rC74I1T...WF1ytEQt=s1600

Jean Grey is nothing compared to Emma without the Phoenix Force boosting her up.

@Omegarogue:

I will tackle Selene in my next post.

[butterflykyss]

I think most hardcore Storm fans are not pleased by her presentation in the films, but I will concede that Rogue and Cyclops had it even worse.



Remember, the film X1 preceded X-Men Evolution by several months, and I would imagine the showrunners were aware of the movie direction/content when they were developing their content. So Evolution Rogue was more an interpretation of movie Rogue, not visa versa.

yea I didn't recall which came first, thanks for clarifying. my point still stands though that movie rogue sucked. this article interestingly thought so too lol:

https://www.cbr.com/bad-on-screen-x-men-performances/

the weather thief made list as well.

[rutog98]

On, and lets not forget when Emma's mind attack against an adversary was so strong, the mere psionic backlash of Emma's powers proved too strong for Jean's psychic shields to block out:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/R6zOIHczJkr...0vKErUuB=s1600

And here is the psionic lightning bolt feat:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Q_M1wH1B5_u...AJu0ctxg=s1600
http://actionagogo.com/wp-content/up...15/02/genx.jpg

Anyway, I've now created an Emma/Jean thread...

Oh, and while Emma was literally punching through DOZENS of Dark Beast's psi-blocking tech, Jean's TP combined with Betsy's TP was literally useless in this government compound:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/GbR4wFTDT5o...UpiTwCpW=s1600

Now, you know Dark Beast is going to have psi-blocking tech much better than the Russian government. So, the blockers Emma was breaking down would have been stronger.

Jean is nothing compared to Emma without the PF.



Not only do you have that scan I posted where Jean said, "Now its just you, me, and the Phoenix," but then you also have instances like this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/6oOUNQRpC9H...irlONSe7=s1600

and this:

(They are headed for the sun in these scans:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/qjW75mpHX3U...DItmrPZK=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/jutJiG0kVwO...isPTuPyI=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/q-DiXl-Pdtn...T1c04suw=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Pb0ygj5HKpJ...04UF9v4R=s1600

Followed by this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/JDW_hkGiUhj...Pqyrehvv=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/9b6I-fi6sSh...y98Rs0_T=s1600

This all happened during the Morrison run and Omegarogue is trying to say that Jean did not have the PF there. Give me a break!

[Omegarogue]

rutg98:


I will not answer more about the vs Jean Polaris vs Emma, or Rogue vs Selene, I will answer you already in the thread that you opened, what if by miritos and everything they have done, the powers of Jean >>> Emma and Los of Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>> selene.

This is Storm's thread, peace. LOL

[yogaflame]

This is Storm's thread, peace. LOL

Thank you!!

[Omegarogue]

I think most hardcore Storm fans are not pleased by her presentation in the films, but I will concede that Rogue and Cyclops had it even worse.



Remember, the film X1 preceded X-Men Evolution by several months, and I would imagine the showrunners were aware of the movie direction/content when they were developing their content. So Evolution Rogue was more an interpretation of movie Rogue, not visa versa.

Obviously, you are absolutely right but Jean and Storm had some very nice panels, and memorable action scenes, even if Xmen's FOX movies stunk for everyone.

But yes, Scott and especially Rogue took the worst part in the FOX movies.

That's why I'm glad this rebbot is coming, they can not do it worse than FOX, and that's a win.


EVO Rogue if I defend her she was great and very powerful, she showed how useful and powerful Rogue is, and she had a development as an excellent character, on the other hand in XMen Evo Storm I think she took the worst part, she is the one less was in the series.

but nothing surpasses the horrible representation of Rogue and Scott in the movies of FOX.

[Omegarogue]

I have a doubt about the future of Sotm, some of you know, if there is a possibility that Bishop's grandmother is Ororo.

I think we got many samples that it was Storm, but is this confirmed?

[Wind Rider]

I have a doubt about the future of Sotm, some of you know, if there is a possibility that Bishop's grandmother is Ororo.

I think we got many samples that it was Storm, but is this confirmed?

Hasn't been confirmed up to this point. Love the avatar by the way! Rogue is one of my faves.

[Omegarogue]

Hasn't been confirmed up to this point. Love the avatar by the way! Rogue is one of my faves.

Thanks friend.

In one of Bishop's mini-series, her "grandmother" we saw her and I think we can say that she was clearly Storm, or when she was telling the story was a crazy old woman who told the story as if she were Ororo, but she was an old woman with her white hair and loose waves reminded me to Storm of the truth.

Could it also be his adopted grandmother? In short, the plot always seemed interesting to me but they have never been clarified, not even Bishop.

[yogaflame]

Thanks friend.

In one of Bishop's mini-series, her "grandmother" we saw her and I think we can say that she was clearly Storm, or when she was telling the story was a crazy old woman who told the story as if she were Ororo, but she was an old woman with her white hair and loose waves reminded me to Storm of the truth.

Could it also be his adopted grandmother? In short, the plot always seemed interesting to me but they have never been clarified, not even Bishop.

I feel she was more intended to be his adopted grandmother in that story(Bishop was attracted to Storm in those very early days). I remember Bishop looking at Monet like she was something to him as well. Then of course you had Claremont come in during X-Treme X-Men and say Bishop is actually a black Australian Aboriginal, descended of Gateway. Overall Claremont did well with his police detective Bishop, but that was a strange addition to the canon.

[butterflykyss]

Hasn't been confirmed up to this point. Love the avatar by the way! Rogue is one of my faves.

Windrider?!?!?! Welcome home!!!

[Wind Rider]

Windrider?!?!?! Welcome home!!!

Thanks Kyss! I know it's been a long time.

[stormphoenix]

Ok what’s today’s Topic this time???

[rutog98]

Thanks Kyss! I know it's been a long time.

Welcome back! Take off your coat and stay a while!

[Rosa Snarks]

Thanks Kyss! I know it's been a long time.

Bro! By the goddess you live! :'(