All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Tazirai]

Wonder when Sanders supporters will realize it is over. I hope they realize Trump is the enemy, not the Democratic Party.

Democratic party is still the enemy.
If you think that, dunno what to tell you.

The only thing you'll get is MAYBE, not another Trump term.
That's a pretty low maybe too.

But as far as actual change? Nada, zip. We would get to keep the courts, that's Maybe it.

But I do think there's gonna be an exodus from the party, not just of Sanders supporters, but of people fed up with voting for Democrats and getting nothing.

I see the start of a true third party in the next decade.

Alot of the usual Establishment types on both sides won't be prepared for it. People are fed up, and voted for safety, and that might bite them in the ass.

Blacks voted for familiarity with Obama's Homey... Thanks Obama.
Suburbanites voted for protection of their way of life. But will stay woke. They'll stay woke, but fuck off with everything else, lol.

[Kevinroc]

Without Hillary Clinton In The Race, Bernie Sanders’ Rural Edge Disappeared
Joe Biden is winning in rural areas where Sanders romped in 2016.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hilla...61645cb961?t3u

Which also corresponds with this tweet.

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/statu...46951026946048

Dramatic swings among white men from 2016 to 2020 via
@CNN
exit polls:

White men in Michigan:
'16: Sanders 62%, Clinton 37%
'20: Sanders 49%, Biden 46%

White men in Missouri:
'16: Sanders 61%, Clinton 38%
'20: Biden 49%, Sanders 45%

We need to talk about the anti-women sentiment in a large portion of America, including in the Democratic Party.

[Tazirai]

I'm usually not a fan of the Atlantic, but this article is one of their better ones, and a SUPER fair and nuanced article on why Bernie doesn't reach older black voters.
It also, makes a lot of sense, since I see it where I'm from, not only with blacks and hispanics, but with Asian and Indian students who make up a significant portion of the population
in North Carolina now.

The vote on Pageantry and realization that no matter who wins, we're on the bottom.

POLITICS
Bernie Sanders Reached Out to Black Voters. Why Didn’t It Work?
The democratic socialist champions underrepresented groups. So far they’ve voted, en masse, for his rival.

[Tazirai]

Without Hillary Clinton In The Race, Bernie Sanders’ Rural Edge Disappeared
Joe Biden is winning in rural areas where Sanders romped in 2016.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hilla...61645cb961?t3u

Which also corresponds with this tweet.

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/statu...46951026946048



We need to talk about the anti-women sentiment in a large portion of America, including in the Democratic Party.

Hell, yesterday Biden told a female Aide to SHUSH! Just SHUSH!.

Even among liberals, the Anti-woman thing is a pretty big part. I know some men really like that part of the Bible where the woman comes from the ribs talk.
But in reality they need to chuck that shit to the side. Even some women "Allow" it, just because that's how they were raised and what they expect.

[Lord Falcon]

It's spelled Tazirai.

Also soon as you started with the Bernie Bros thing. I kinda stopped paying attention.

Not paying attention would be sad, but a step up from feeding your own internal biases.

Democratic party is still the enemy.
If you think that, dunno what to tell you.

The only thing you'll get is MAYBE, not another Trump term.
That's a pretty low maybe too.

But as far as actual change? Nada, zip. We would get to keep the courts, that's Maybe it.

But I do think there's gonna be an exodus from the party, not just of Sanders supporters, but of people fed up with voting for Democrats and getting nothing.

I see the start of a true third party in the next decade.

Alot of the usual Establishment types on both sides won't be prepared for it. People are fed up, and voted for safety, and that might bite them in the ass.

Blacks voted for familiarity with Obama's Homey... Thanks Obama.
Suburbanites voted for protection of their way of life. But will stay woke. They'll stay woke, but fuck off with everything else, lol.

Go right ahead. I moved to the US to fight the good fight in the best bastion of freedom and human rights the world has ever seen, flaws and hypocrisy and all. You talk like these last 70 years aren't the best years we as a species have ever seen. It is. In all its ugliness, in all its genocide and tribalism and pollution, humanity has never had a greater golden age then now. If enough people follow your lead and take their ball and go home, then this great experiment is over and the US fails as a nation. China will deserve to win as the more effective and efficient country despite building entire empty cities.

First past the post voting will always lead to a two-party system. You want to vote for your dream candidate and then have them be forced into a coalition to get power? Change the voting system.

In the meantime, Bernie already succeeded beyond his wildest dreams in changing the democratic party, and all I hear from you is more dissatisfaction.

[Lord Falcon]

Hell, yesterday Biden told a female Aide to SHUSH! Just SHUSH!.

Even among liberals, the Anti-woman thing is a pretty big part. I know some men really like that part of the Bible where the woman comes from the ribs talk.
But in reality they need to chuck that shit to the side. Even some women "Allow" it, just because that's how they were raised and what they expect.

If I'm trying to talk over my boss and he tells me to shush, I'll feel indignant for five seconds while I shut my trap, then realize it's his call to make to have the confrontation play out. It's perfectly possible that Biden, like many old men, holds some biases about women. Hell, I have biases about gender roles. We all do. But was his behavior inappropriate here towards his aide? No. He made a call in a tense and fluid situation. The way he acted speaks a lot more worryingly about his pride making him prickly, but that wouldn't be enough to sink him would it? Biden needs to become a sexist pig to lose.

[Lord Falcon]

Without Hillary Clinton In The Race, Bernie Sanders’ Rural Edge Disappeared
Joe Biden is winning in rural areas where Sanders romped in 2016.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hilla...61645cb961?t3u

Which also corresponds with this tweet.

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/statu...46951026946048



We need to talk about the anti-women sentiment in a large portion of America, including in the Democratic Party.

As much as Warren shot herself in the foot with some really horrible decisions, she suffered worse for fewer mistakes than Biden did. Biden gets to run his mouth and garble up what he's trying to say or supposed to say every day. Same issue with Kamala, who certainly had weaknesses and some questionable decision-making, but took more heat faster when she looked less than perfectly legit.

I remember seeing women voting for Trump in 2016 because they didn't think a woman should be President. I have no doubt that conscious and unconscious biases continue to play out in the rest of the electorate.

[Lord Falcon]

I get that the Establishment wants to end this. But not this way, this is why I call Clyburn what I call Clyburn.

Jim Clyburn: Cancel future Democratic debates


It was not a good night for Progressives, but it's also not the end. Win or lose the movement will be there. Although Bernie is a fighter, he's too close to his "Friends", and his refusal to attack, and always apologize, is what's gonna do him in. But again. Till the end.

Alright, this one I'll give. I was pretty annoyed with James Carville saying shut the primary down, but he's a cynical, opinionated Clintonite 90s centrist. Clyburn's being stupid. The worst thing the Democratic party could do at this point is game the system to force Sanders out of the race. Either Sanders will pull off a at this point extremely unlikely victory, or he and his supporters will have some time and space to make their peace with coming up short so they're willing to listen to Bernie and Bernie endorses Biden. Hillary Clinton was afforded this space in 2008, and I see no reason Bernie hasn't earned the same.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

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Only 6,563 Americans Have Been Tested For The Coronavirus So Far

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In non-coronavirus news:

Joe Biden Sweeps More Primaries, Solidifying His Path To The Democratic Nomination

The former vice president is cruising, while Sen. Bernie Sanders is in big trouble.

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Democrat Flips State House In New Hampshire Town That Trump Won By 10 Points

Kathleen Martins will be replacing the late Rep. Dick Marple (R) and serving in the House of Representatives until elections in November.

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Trump Endorses Jeff Sessions’ Opponent In Alabama Senate Runoff

The president, whose relationship with his former attorney general has soured, backed former football coach Tommy Tuberville ahead of the March 31 runoff. More proof of Trump's pettiness an inability to bury grudges.

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House Democrats Can See Secret Mueller Grand Jury Testimony, Appeals Court Rules

The House of Representatives is entitled to see redacted portions of the testimony, according to the 2-to-1 decision.

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Conspiracy Theorist Alex Jones Arrested For DWI

The controversial radio show host was arrested in Texas on a misdemeanor charge of driving while intoxicated.

[Tendrin]

If the worst for fans of Bernie should pass, as it seems likely, then the man will 'just' return to being an important voice and vote in the Senate.

If you care about his agenda you will, as he does, want a majority of Democrats in the Senate to be able to pass even a little of his agenda.

For that to happen, you will also be required to, as he does, work with House Democrats, to be able to draft legislation to be sent to the Senate for a Democratic majority to vote on. If the Senate isn't Democratic, then it will never matter because Mitch McConnel will simply continue to ignore the bills sent his way like the awful gravedigger of functional American government he is.

And then, if all that goes well, guess what? You need a Democratic president to be able to sign it into law. If even a single lever of congressional power and executive power remains in Republican hands, nothing gets done. Taking your ball and going home helps to ensure that /nothing/ you want to happen is going to happen.

And that's before we even start talking about the courts.

If your local politician refuses to support that agenda, primary the $#43 out of him.

[worstblogever]

On this date in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, as well as 2019, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day posted profiles of South Carolina State Senator Tom Corbin from the South Carolina State Senate, a misogynist extraordinaire who has referred to the only female member of the South Carolina State Senate and all women as a "lesser cut of meat", as well as repeatedly making cracks about how women should be in the kitchen and barefoot to get a rise out of the ladies. He also voted to nullify the Affordable Care Act in South Carolina, wanted to pass stricter voter ID laws that would disenfranchise tens of thousands of voters if not more, voted for the concealed carry of firearms in bars, because alcohol does wonders for impulse control, and once sponsored legislation to force every citizen of South Carolina over the age of 17 not in the National Guard to be drafted into a state militia to battle any potential invasions from, as he theorized, the "Red Chinese".

Corbin barely survived a tough GOP primary in 2016 against John B. White, winning by a mere 300 votes. He has remained quiet since his re-election, save for his sponsorship of a bill to legalize concealed carry on schools leased through churches, and his vote for a fetal heartbeat bill in South Carolina so extreme that it didn’t even have exceptions for rape or incest.

We’re hoping that 2020 is the year that he ends up finding himself out of office.

[ed2962]

Frankly, and I know this is gonna get me a lot of flak, but Trump gained a lot of popularity for “telling it like it is”. That helped him out a lot with blue collar folks who got him Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. This seems like a good clip in Biden’s favor in that regard. Look, all other things being equal, I would prefer a more profesorial approach a la Obama or Warren. But I do think that shutting down folks like this that are spewing lies—lies which not correctly answered can lead to electoral problems—is important. And Biden did do that concisely, even if it was lacking in tact.

I sorta agree. These gaffs and what not are not hurting him.

[ed2962]

If the worst for fans of Bernie should pass, as it seems likely, then the man will 'just' return to being an important voice and vote in the Senate.

If you care about his agenda you will, as he does, want a majority of Democrats in the Senate to be able to pass even a little of his agenda.

For that to happen, you will also be required to, as he does, work with House Democrats, to be able to draft legislation to be sent to the Senate for a Democratic majority to vote on. If the Senate isn't Democratic, then it will never matter because Mitch McConnel will simply continue to ignore the bills sent his way like the awful gravedigger of functional American government he is.

And then, if all that goes well, guess what? You need a Democratic president to be able to sign it into law. If even a single lever of congressional power and executive power remains in Republican hands, nothing gets done. Taking your ball and going home helps to ensure that /nothing/ you want to happen is going to happen.

And that's before we even start talking about the courts.

If your local politician refuses to support that agenda, primary the $#43 out of him.

Thing is, Sanders supporters don't all want the same things. Sure, some of them simply want health care reform and debt relief, but others want to see a crazy old man eff things up and others want workers to seize the means of production etc. I kinda get the feeling that it's these people who won't come out for the general if Biden wins. They'll go back to other forms of activism or drop out of the process again.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Thing is, Sanders supporters don't all want the same things. Sure, some of them simply want health care reform and debt relief, but others want to see a crazy old man eff things up and others want workers to seize the means of production etc. I kinda get the feeling that it's these people who won't come out for the general if Biden wins. They'll go back to other forms of activism or drop out of the process again.

Sanders has no control over the fanatical section of his base, and I doubt the DNC and Biden will be willing to give him a second chance to use them as leverage for endorsement. They learnt from Hillary's mistakes. There's no point in giving him what he wants when he can't guarantee their votes or make a truce he'll hold to.

Edit: Thankfully we won't be getting Nina Turner and co. in an administration.

[Tendrin]

The more ominous sign for Democrats, though, and that they'll need to grapple with is that the youth vote that DID turn out was overwhelmingly for Sanders. If the Democrats want to not just win transitorily for the moment, they're going to *need* to start delivering on the priorities Sanders highlighted right away if they want any chance to hold *on*.

And despite what some people think, they do want to be in power and not just 'the controlled opposition'.