Minorities in Comics and Other Media, etc

[MindofShadow]

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Yea Kung Lao gave it to the flying chick that got cut in half like a mounted woodworking shop table buzzsaw. When he showed up I expected somebody to catch the hat saw standing lol.

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lol that came straight from the games.

I was like, "there gonna do it... there gonna do it... YES SUCK IT JUST INTRODUCED CHARACTER THAT SHANG SEEMED TO REALLY LIKE WEIRDLY lol

[Agent Z]

In defense of Euphoria I wouldn't say it romanticizes this stuff but it can be tough to sit through. At the very least, it doesn't glamorize it the way shows like The OC and Riverdale do.

As someone who has done therapy, I do think it is an important first step but it isn't the easy fix a lot of people think it is.

[Surf]

lol that came straight from the games.

I was like, "there gonna do it... there gonna do it... YES SUCK IT JUST INTRODUCED CHARACTER THAT SHANG SEEMED TO REALLY LIKE WEIRDLY lol

Was chick with the wings ever in the game? Yeaa, she got a whole intro out of Shang like she was his ace boon, Goro didn't get that run.

[MindofShadow]

Was chick with the wings ever in the game? Yeaa, she got a whole intro out of Shang like she was his ace boon, Goro didn't get that run.

I have no idea. I don't even know her name lol.

and LOL, apparently,spoilers:

that chick must have slept her way to the top, totally unqualified for Shang to gas her up like that lol

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[Nate Grey]

Nitara (bat wing lady) was in Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance and then relegated to cameos for each subsequent game.

Also, re: Shang Tsung: spoilers:

I think it was a bad idea portraying him cocky but otherwise emotionless until talking about Nitara cause it does seem like that was his lover at least. Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa at least seemed like he was enjoying himself, Ng Chin Han didn't until Nitara.

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[MindofShadow]

Nitara (bat wing lady) was in Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance and then relegated to cameos for each subsequent game.

Also, re: Shang Tsung: spoilers:

I think it was a bad idea portraying him cocky but otherwise emotionless until talking about Nitara cause it does seem like that was his lover at least. Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa at least seemed like he was enjoying himself, Ng Chin Han didn't until Nitara.

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OG Shang was better than nuShang in everyway possible

[Vic Vega]

I thought it did great but I seem to be in the minority here.

I want minorities in ALL roles and that includes the ability to kill them off if need be. I ain't losing a wink of sleep over Battlestar.

But here is how I see it...

- Main Character: black guy. Which included his all black family (biggest being his sister) and all black neighborhood/community.
- One Main Villain: black? mixed? chick. She sucked but whatever lol. Serious miscast here but whatever.
- Emotional Core of the Movie: old black dude
- Kick Ass Warrior Characters: buncha bald black women showed up and kicked everyones ass and left lol
- Second Villain? Sidekick: Lemar
- Second Villain? Wife: black chick... man, Walker likes black people lol?
- Main Characters background side kick: hispanic? latino? dude.

Yeha ol mixed? girl bit the dust but so did her whole crew lol. Ain't like they singled her out.

And something had to turn Walker... he needed to go bad but he couldn't go too bad because the character is really really grey... so he needed a somewhat justified reason if you squint to decapitate a terrorist who surrendered and Lemar was the only logical choice. I don't know shit about battlestar in the comics, so whatever. I guess they should have just casted a white sidekick instead and killed him to avoid the trope I guess? IS it worth losing a minority role to avoid tropes?

I don't know.

In a show where the main character (or one of them) is Black, his family and community are given representation, screen time and the like, the main villainess is biracial and we got a guest spot for Isaiah Bradley and a series cameo for Eli Bradley both of whose characters are bigger deals in the comics than Battlestar is, I am not going to get fussed over the death of one character whose survival would have made little in story sense to me, POC or not.

He was a non powered dude with a Pistol and a Knife fighting super soldiers in a MCU where that power disparity matters in story (unlike in the comics where it gets handwaved away because plot armor). Of course he got killed.

In the comics Walker parents getting murdered drives him nuts. His parents aren't in this. Do you want his Wife/Girlfriend to get it instead? That actress is a POC also so killing her off would not fix anything either.

I don't see what saving him gets the story or the character who is mostly there to be the voice of reason to a character whose entire point is to go off the rails.

[Nate Grey]

OG Shang was better than nuShang in everyway possible

Oh agreed.

Wait I minute, I just found this (I don't know how to make the image smaller), so Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa could play him now? Hmm...

[CosmiComic]

I don't know.

In a show where the main character (or one of them) is Black, his family and community are given representation, screen time and the like, the main villainess is biracial and we got a guest spot for Isaiah Bradley and a series cameo for Eli Bradley both of whose characters are bigger deals in the comics than Battlestar is, I am not going to get fussed over the death of one character whose survival would have made little in story sense to me, POC or not.

He was a non powered dude with a Pistol and a Knife fighting super soldiers in a MCU where that power disparity matters in story (unlike in the comics where it gets handwaved away because plot armor). Of course he got killed.

In the comics Walker parents getting murdered drives him nuts. His parents aren't in this. Do you want his Wife/Girlfriend to get it instead? That actress is a POC also so killing her off would not fix anything either.

I don't see what saving him gets the story or the character who is mostly there to be the voice of reason to a character whose entire point is to go off the rails.

He could've just been paralyzed or injured. That probably would've set Walker off anyway.

I think what bothers a lot of people is how much of a cliche the whole "Black best friend dies" trope is, especially in a show about the Black superhero experience.

[Username taken]

There is a general feeling of cynicism, malaise, and nihilism that permeates media today. I feel bad for kids these days. I really do. I like to think this started with 13 Reasons Why on Netflix but it probably didn't. That show romanticized suicide as a revenge fantasy. Netflix screened the show to a psychologist before airing the show, the psychologist told them not to air it because of the romanticism, they did anyway, it lasted 4 seasons.

The way media talks about mental health and therapy bothers me. Therapy is viewed as a one size fits all solution to mental health problems, when it isn't. Too much burden is thrust upon individuals to "fix themselves" when most people's mental health problems are due to systemic issues. It's just easier to tell people to pull themselves up by their psychological bootstraps. If you can't go to therapy, then use betterhelp, if you can't afford that, then go to the library and read self help books.

Yeah, it's a bit troubling.

I have a lot of talking to do with my kids.

Like...a lot.

[Username taken]

In defense of Euphoria I wouldn't say it romanticizes this stuff but it can be tough to sit through. At the very least, it doesn't glamorize it the way shows like The OC and Riverdale do.

As someone who has done therapy, I do think it is an important first step but it isn't the easy fix a lot of people think it is.

True, It's a far more raw than other teen dramas.

I just don't like the way that tv series treat some of this stuff. The real life consequences are a lot harsher than what we see on screen.

Kudos to you on the therapy, I've experienced some messed up stuff (about 10 years ago) that took me to therapy. I was in a car accident where I collided head-on with an oncoming driver (his car malfunctioned) and my bladder ruptured and my intestines were tangled up. Dislocated my left shoulder and hurt my knees. I can no longer drive long distances because of the trauma to my abdomen. To make this worse, the other driver died and it screwed me up completely. Intentional or not, I had the death of someone on my hands... the man was a father, a husband and a brother, why did he die and not me? Why did I deserve to live? How about his young kids? How about his wife? His family?...how do they cope? These were just some of the questions that messed up my mind. I struggled and I mean....struggled with my sanity and really wanted to give up on life as a whole. I had to talk to people to keep myself grounded because I really was so racked by guilt that I wanted to end it all. I had to get professional help.

It's partially my fault for ignoring the trigger warning at the beginning of the series but the way "sophisticated fiction" treats stuff like this just rubs me the wrong way.

[OopsIdiditagain]

In defense of Euphoria I wouldn't say it romanticizes this stuff but it can be tough to sit through. At the very least, it doesn't glamorize it the way shows like The OC and Riverdale do.

As someone who has done therapy, I do think it is an important first step but it isn't the easy fix a lot of people think it is.

Euphoria sexualizes rape and its teen characters way more than Riverdale and the OC do. It's just pornography selling itself as a drama. It definitely feels glamorized to a certain extent , it's a shallow version of Skins. Grand Army felt more down to earth than the CW shows and Euphoria.

[Agent Z]

True, It's a far more raw than other teen dramas.

I just don't like the way that tv series treat some of this stuff. The real life consequences are a lot harsher than what we see on screen.

Kudos to you on the therapy, I've experienced some messed up stuff (about 10 years ago) that took me to therapy. I was in a car accident where I collided head-on with an oncoming driver (his car malfunctioned) and my bladder ruptured and my intestines were tangled up. Dislocated my left shoulder and hurt my knees. I can no longer drive long distances because of the trauma to my abdomen. To make this worse, the other driver died and it screwed me up completely. Intentional or not, I had the death of someone on my hands... the man was a father, a husband and a brother, why did he die and not me? Why did I deserve to live? How about his young kids? How about his wife? His family?...how do they cope? These were just some of the questions that messed up my mind. I struggled and I mean....struggled with my sanity and really wanted to give up on life as a whole. I had to talk to people to keep myself grounded because I really was so racked by guilt that I wanted to end it all. I had to get professional help.

It's partially my fault for ignoring the trigger warning at the beginning of the series but the way "sophisticated fiction" treats stuff like this just rubs me the wrong way.

I am sorry to hear about that. I'm glad you were able to find someone to talk to.

[godisawesome]

He could've just been paralyzed or injured. That probably would've set Walker off anyway.

I think what bothers a lot of people is how much of a cliche the whole "Black best friend dies" trope is, especially in a show about the Black superhero experience.

Admittedly, once episode 2 was over and I realized that Walker’s black best friend was joining him alongside an all new original wife, I immediately started thinking they might fridge someone to trigger his ballistic side, especially since I knew enough to clock his parents weren’t being established - they were the victims in the comics who triggered his rampage.

Lemar’s surviving and being involved with the story after Walker’ rampage could have changed a lot of stuff in presentation - and potentially for the better since they jerked away from the more antagonistic portrayal they had for him in episode 5 (a big part of the reason his more straightforward heroism is 6 feels weird is because of how hard they were leaning into craziness in 5).

An injured Lemar who could peacefully confront Walker in 6 could have made his “come down” period work better.

[MindofShadow]

If Lemar isn't dead, Walker isn't going to run away frmo him to go execute someone. He woudln't leave a wounded soldier sittin' their paralyzed lol